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11-15-2011 02:34 PM  6 years agoPost 41
helidevil

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BeastX primarily, trying to figure out where to start with my new vbar lol. Its so complicated im considering swaping it for another beastX

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11-15-2011 04:25 PM  6 years agoPost 42
red_z06

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Just prior to FBL proliferation, the buzz word was programmable head. Funny thing was that 99% of people did not care about the from the get go and sought what hole everyone was using. If the mfg produced the head with those settings without the additional adjust ability, none would miss it. To majority, it was more of a confusion than a flexibility.

Same goes true for the tail gyro, if you mount it and the tail holds, most will leave it alone and never explore the high limit and the low limit and select the value in between.

When these FBL systems are set right, they will all perform well. Aside from the initial geometry setup, the parameter will vary from 3 (ebar) to about 10 for beastX to more for VBar, TotalG, and some others.

We currently fly beastX mostly but EBar is being tested and HC3x waiting to be mounted.

We've had opportunity to fly more OPM's Vbar than any other system simply because it was out first and available everywhere. While all the variables allow a capable pilot to fine tune it to best of his abilities, it becomes hindrance to average pilots. They all seem to work well when you cruise around as it hides inadequate setup values.
In most cases, the setups needed much tweaking. Some were ok while others were hard to push it to the machines limits.

I would grade FBL systems based on how well an average pilot can setup rather than what experienced pilots can tune it to.

I believe ideal balance is the one that can smack hard and crisp while being precise at big stuff and technical. With BeastX, dialing up the cyclic stop gain (1) would make the rotors stop like the crisp tail stops. But then, technical maneuvers like piro tic-toc would suffer. So, you back it down and it can satisfy all three types of flying.

If we were to take OPM's (beginner to average pilot's machine) helis to fly competition without any adjustment, I would choose the one with beastX on it as that will be either identical to our machines (some are at 100% default) or very close.

We've just test flown a club member's 750 setup X5 that just installed the unit (default). Justin was immediately at home and liked it. Which means it was already at near ideal setup to do all three types of flying.

Ebar does that with no adjustment and it just seems wrong that it works so well with only cyclic expo, cyclic gain, and tail gain. It probably has less variable than some tail gyros.

Only thing is that for some reason, the cyclic rate is a bit slow for us and there are no adjustment as we are at the limit without having to go out on the servo horn length.

So, if you really think it through, if the system was setup up right from the beginning, you would not be fiddling with the variables and scratching your head.

At our next funfly, I'm going to hunt down few more 750s setup by the beginner/intermediate pilot and try to test fly them. If it feels right or close, that means the system is good for the majority and not the top pilots or experienced tuners.

So, for now, I would highly recommend beastX for a FBL newbie and pretty much guaranty success without any adjustment.

www.JustinJee.com

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11-15-2011 07:52 PM  6 years agoPost 43
LaurenceGough

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V-Bar, the original and still the best.

Amazing performance that somehow gets even better with each update...

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11-15-2011 08:24 PM  6 years agoPost 44
3dgimble

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Ask the people who fly hard and fly a lot and you will get the truth, not the people who fly once in a while when they get a chance or fly circuits. If you fly the Bjesus out of each system and they will start to show there true colors. And all FBL systems are weak in comparison to a FB head when flown hard. After a crash which one would like to set up all over again?

I am not the one for complications, takes too much away from actually flying the heli for fun.

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11-15-2011 08:33 PM  6 years agoPost 45
flydan

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I flew the crap out of the 3g,
Its setup perfect, Just still dose not feel right.
Next try is either vbar, or beastx

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11-15-2011 09:02 PM  6 years agoPost 46
RobMcQuillen

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And all FBL systems are weak in comparison to a FB head when flown hard
That is 100% not true! I remember how much better my flying got when I went to flybarless
After a crash which one would like to set up all over again?
Crash rebuilding is just getting easier and easier. With a Flybarless model what is their to rebuild in the head? Spindle...maybe? Blade grip arm...maybe? links...maybe?

There is no setup, simply make new links, snap them on, and fly...
I am not the one for complications, takes too much away from actually flying the heli for fun.
Flybarless heads are MUCH simpler

Rob McQuillen

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11-15-2011 09:04 PM  6 years agoPost 47
red_z06

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And all FBL systems are weak in comparison to a FB head when flown hard.
I have never seen Justin fly this hard with a FB.

Watch at YouTube

If you don't believe me, just ask him yourself.

Here is a kid who does not know what bias means.

www.JustinJee.com

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11-15-2011 09:05 PM  6 years agoPost 48
OICU812

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+1 to Robs comment. FBL is tons easier to rebuild in fact likely a tenth time to rebuild, obviously some naysayers again that haven't even flown or dealt with fbl moving their lips again .

Can't fly as hard?, seriously or did someone accidentally say that without thinking?

...Once upon a time there were Nitros, flybars and frequency pins...

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11-15-2011 09:09 PM  6 years agoPost 49
red_z06

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I can't post a Beam video as we are sponsored by Beam. But, you can look up the latest. In it, he is flying about 3x harder than with a FB.

As the heli gets bigger, the performance gap seems to narrow a bit though, based on what I observe on Justin's flights.

Can someone post it here to show the naysayer?

www.JustinJee.com

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11-15-2011 09:18 PM  6 years agoPost 50
helidevil

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who said you cant push a FBL hard? this is with +/- 15 flying in 75 degree heat. (beastX)

Watch at YouTube

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11-15-2011 09:27 PM  6 years agoPost 51
OICU812

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Some good blade fartin' fun there Devon, good stuff!

...Once upon a time there were Nitros, flybars and frequency pins...

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11-15-2011 10:47 PM  6 years agoPost 52
OICU812

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Here is Justins vid, looked smackalicous to me? I don't think FBL has held him back any.

Watch at YouTube

...Once upon a time there were Nitros, flybars and frequency pins...

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11-16-2011 12:00 AM  6 years agoPost 53
3dgimble

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did not say anything about rebuilding heads, i said setting up FBL systems, mikado or beast x. the x and 3gx easier to setup than the v n cgy 750.
maybe one day fbl systems will fly as good as a sparten and FB head with some sweet headspeed. i can still finess any fbl system into doing most of what i want it to do but pushed too hard and fast and they start to trip over themselves.

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11-16-2011 12:07 AM  6 years agoPost 54
RobMcQuillen

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Not sure how much experience you have with flybarless but I have never had something trip over its self..

This Helicommand HC3X is still working strong

Rob

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11-16-2011 12:08 AM  6 years agoPost 55
OICU812

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Funguy

Fair enough could you explain or post a video on how you feel fbl "trips over itself"?

I really don't see/feel or understand what you are saying. Thx

...Once upon a time there were Nitros, flybars and frequency pins...

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11-16-2011 12:12 AM  6 years agoPost 56
3dgimble

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those videos are good pilots flying nice. one thing i noticed is just most fbl pilots, they are all finessing the helis. nothing violent or fast about what they are doing. give me that little 450 that kid was flying n ill show you the weak points in that fbl head n gyro.

its just hard to beat perfection, Flybar has been around way longer than FBL gyros. fbl systems still has some catching up to do. ask tareq alsaadi he might shead some insight, if not look at the helis he likes to fly.

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11-16-2011 12:14 AM  6 years agoPost 57
3dgimble

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kind of expensive to show them tripping if you know what im getting at

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11-16-2011 12:15 AM  6 years agoPost 58
RobMcQuillen

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I really don't see/feel or understand what you are saying
+1

Rob McQuillen

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11-16-2011 12:25 AM  6 years agoPost 59
red_z06

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funguy

I concede that you have skills beyond our comprehension.

www.JustinJee.com

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11-16-2011 12:30 AM  6 years agoPost 60
F1 Rocket

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ask tareq alsaadi he might shead some insight, if not look at the helis he likes to fly.
The last I heard was his new toy is a wicked looking greanie meanie that will only exists as FBL.

Danny

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