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10-31-2011 04:17 AM  6 years agoPost 21
Justin Stuart (RIP)

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I seem to recall that you can identify the tail gain setting by looking at the LEDs when you first turn on the BeastX? What LED does your "50" correspond to?

I was hesitant to program all of the control response setting into my transmitter because I was already a bit overwhelmed by the initial programming and figured I could do that later. But I see what you're saying. By using the TX you can get much more precise control over expo and gain on the cyclic. I will try that as soon as I get the tail figured out.

Thanks guys for the help.

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10-31-2011 04:20 AM  6 years agoPost 22
az_heliguy

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try this justin...

go into the radio and set the ch5 subtrim back to 0.
go into the radio and set the atv for ch5 to 50% for both + and -
go into the radio and set the atv for ail/ele/rud back to 100%
go into the radio and set expo for ail/ele/rud to 20%
go into the mb parameter menu b and set to "transmitter"
go into the mb parameter menu d and set to the default setting
reset pot 3 on the mb back to center

work on the tail gain first with pitch pumps...

if the tail is kicking out, increase the atv on ch5, then go into fff and do a high stall turn, but come out backwards in reverse flight, if the tail shakes, then the gain is too high and you would want to lower it.

now work on the piro rate...

while in a hover, rotate both directions. if not fast enough, increase the parameter menu d to the next higher setting and try again. when you increase parameter menu d to your liking, you may have to lower the tail gain in the radio ch5 atv a couple notches.

lastly, work on the hardness of the tail stops on pot 3...

slowly increase pot 3 until the tail "bounces" on a stop, then lower it slightly...

that should about do it

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10-31-2011 04:23 AM  6 years agoPost 23
az_heliguy

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correct, when the mb boots up, you can switch between hh and rate mode and the leds will give you a baseline for the tail gain. most of my setups show the "g" led

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10-31-2011 04:23 AM  6 years agoPost 24
Justin Stuart (RIP)

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Thanks for taking the time to write out this explanation. I'll print it out and take it with me to the field the next time I go out there to fly. Sound pretty easy to do.

OK. I'll look for the "G" as a good place to start on the tail gain.

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10-31-2011 04:25 AM  6 years agoPost 25
az_heliguy

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no prob...

this way your gonna get a good baseline start to fine tune it the way you want it to feel.

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10-31-2011 11:38 AM  6 years agoPost 26
DaveW

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Doesn't menu d control piro consistancy not piro rate? I have mine set to "transmitter" and can't go over 113% without it starting to pinwheel.
Yes Justin, the MB has a pinwheel feature that turns the gyro gain off when you up the atv high enough. Problem I found is that threshold is to low so if you like a fast tail your likely to find this feature unexpectedly.

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10-31-2011 04:31 PM  6 years agoPost 27
az_heliguy

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You can't set parameters menu d to transmitter. Only a preset option or user defined, ut user defined cannot be used until the new microsettings pc software is available for the 3.0 firmware.

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10-31-2011 05:14 PM  6 years agoPost 28
DaveW

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I meant my controls are set to "transmitter" not the menu d. I am confused as I was thinking menu d was for piro consistency. You mentioned it's piro rate. does a higher value give better piro consistency and a higher piro rate before going into "pinwheel"?

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11-01-2011 01:32 AM  6 years agoPost 29
theriddick45

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I tested today.... Works like a charm!!!! I will get some stick time before I update my gasser but in the mean time if someone out there is flying the 3.0.8 on a gasser and want to give some review I will be appreciated much!!!

Suzi Janis 800e & 700e 3blade both w/Ikon

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11-01-2011 07:34 AM  6 years agoPost 30
Tine

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I have it on Radikal g20 and works great.

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11-01-2011 12:20 PM  6 years agoPost 31
theriddick45

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Tine...

Thanks!!! I have been using version 2 on my gasser and it works so well that I didn't know what to do. The new version have cool features and I really like the battery consumption is much better than V2. The difference is I can fly my electric 8 to 10 times before I charge the RX battery again. On the gasser 4 to 5 with the same RX battery and needs to be charge. I know there is a big difference between my electric and the gasser weight but I notice less consumption on v3.

Thanks again.

Suzi Janis 800e & 700e 3blade both w/Ikon

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11-01-2011 08:17 PM  6 years agoPost 32
DaveW

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I dOnt think the version of software has anything to do with it. I have 2 machines with identical electronics except the electric 700e uses a 2500mah bat and the 700n uses a 3600mah bat. I get 3-4 flight on the 7e and 4 on the 7n. The 7n uses 600-700mah a flight where the 7e uses 450-500. The throttle servo works more then you think.

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11-01-2011 08:59 PM  6 years agoPost 33
theriddick45

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I think it does. I have seen I change on the battery compsumtion. I think I read it on there website. Maybe I'm wrong but what really matters is that it works like a charm and we are happy with it.

Suzi Janis 800e & 700e 3blade both w/Ikon

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11-01-2011 09:43 PM  6 years agoPost 34
DaveW

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Fair enough. However what in the software could make a difference? Unless you are running a higher gain on one over the other. The difference your describing can no way be contributed to the software alone. It simply doesn't draw that much. To see a difference like your describing would have to be related to servo usage and caused by the gains being ran higher or the machine flown more aggressively combined with it possibly being a different size machine?

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11-01-2011 11:41 PM  6 years agoPost 35
theriddick45

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DaveW...

Yeah maybe you right. One is an 550e and the other is the gasser 700 size. I guess you make me realize that and I will stick with v2 on the gasser for a while more since is flying excellent.

Thanks!!!!

Suzi Janis 800e & 700e 3blade both w/Ikon

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11-01-2011 11:53 PM  6 years agoPost 36
DaveW

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Yup, that is for sure it then. 520-550 blades will draw much much less. For example, My 600n fb used to draw 225 per flight where my 700n fb would be around 350-400

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11-02-2011 02:53 AM  6 years agoPost 37
mylee

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No. V3 uses less power. Go to the beastx website, it's one of the bullet points for V3 - REDUCED POWER SERVO CONSUMPTION.

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11-02-2011 03:21 AM  6 years agoPost 38
DaveW

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Myles,
Doesn't matter, think abOut it. How? By how much could it reduce servo power consumption? It's not a miracle electronic device. The servos still have to do work and the linkage is near direct to the head. They will draw power based on flight load and without a flybar to suppress it they draw more. They probably wrote the algorithm in V3 slightly different so that the servo uses less correction data or something but it's nill. I am not arguing that there isn't less consumption in V3. I am just saying it's not something your going to notice and the difference that was described in his previous post was due to other factors not the software. It is without a doubt due to the smaller rotor disk and lighter machine. Not the software. You can't double your flights per charge with a software upgrade.

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11-02-2011 04:43 AM  6 years agoPost 39
panzlflyer

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By how much could it reduce servo power consumption?
Could be quite a bit, you might want to check out the Futaba cgy threads and see what overdriving servos does as far as heat and consumption, direct setup or not.

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11-03-2011 03:16 AM  6 years agoPost 40
DaveW

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this isnt a 750 and the beast doesnt overdrive the servos.
I am curious, how does the 750 overdrive the servos? Is this proven or just the usual online speculation as I know quite a few people flying 750's and have never heard of this.

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