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10-29-2011 01:12 AM  6 years agoPost 1
flustercluck

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10-29-2011 01:56 AM  6 years agoPost 2
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Don't you realize the Obummer administration started this
so that he can TAKE THE GUNS and DECLARE MARSHAL LAW and
Declare the November 6th ELECTION null and void...

I love gravity, it always keeps my feet planted when I fly!

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10-30-2011 03:51 AM  6 years agoPost 3
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Fwiw..

Keeping an open mind.....

Fullerton, CA ....6 cops beat a 135 lb homless man to death..

Recently published factoid that almost 1000 people have been wrongly imprisoned; released when dna testing clears them..One recently after 25 years.....Prosecutors apparently protected by a code of silence reaching all the way to federal judges,never being indicted for such crimes....Texas seems to lead the pack in corruption....
why would a rational person accept the "rule of law" when it is not applied equally?

Just sayin'.........

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10-30-2011 04:18 AM  6 years agoPost 4
Dennis (RIP)

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why would a rational person accept the "rule of law" when it is not applied equally?
The law is not perfect. It does make mistakes.

But, it does work most of the time.

The accusations you made in your post are totally without any sources at all. Just your word.

That makes those accusations very suspect.

Its up to you to change that suspicion.

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10-30-2011 04:42 AM  6 years agoPost 5
drdot

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Fwiw..

Just making a comment on the social condition...The sources for my musings are easily available on the internet, newspapers, etc...

I do not make such remarks lightly...Our society is very ill, selective enforcement of "laws" simply a symptom....

We constantly sue doctors for malpractice...Yet people with the power of life and death in the judicial system are not subject to the same constraints?

BC

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10-30-2011 06:14 AM  6 years agoPost 6
Dennis (RIP)

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I do not make such remarks lightly...Our society is very ill, selective enforcement of "laws" simply a symptom....
Yeah well.

I won't argue with that.

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10-30-2011 04:36 PM  6 years agoPost 7
flustercluck

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Fwiw..

Just making a comment on the social condition...The sources for my musings are easily available on the internet, newspapers, etc...

I do not make such remarks lightly...Our society is very ill, selective enforcement of "laws" simply a symptom....

We constantly sue doctors for malpractice...Yet people with the power of life and death in the judicial system are not subject to the same constraints?

BC
So to sum up: some people agree that Occupy violence and/or murder targeting law enforcement may be justified.

Anyone who believes that, just back up your beliefs and come right out and say it.

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10-30-2011 04:42 PM  6 years agoPost 8
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We constantly sue doctors for malpractice...Yet people with the power of life and death in the judicial system are not subject to the same constraints?

BC
if they were there would be a LOT less people in jail because they would try a lot harder to get it right the first not 25 years later and say o so sorry for taking 25 years of your life .
isnt this how the Nazis started out ? taking away more and more of your rights and having people spy on each other and tagging people like animals and other people cant even drive a 1000 ft from some place or live in other places ? and how about all the wars we are in can any of you remember when we weren't at war ?
who has fought more wars then the usa ? who having we had a war with ? not many on this plant

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10-30-2011 05:17 PM  6 years agoPost 9
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10-30-2011 06:44 PM  6 years agoPost 10
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fwiw..

Please don't get me wrong..

I abhor the "Occupy" crowd, as I've seen no evidence that any critical thinkers exist within its ranks...But to deny that our legal system is seriously diseased is to put your head in another sandpile...For a different example, look at Amanda Knox....Just another fine example of people with authority that should never have it....

BC

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10-31-2011 05:19 PM  6 years agoPost 11
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There are instances when deadly force may be used against Law Enforcement, but you better be SURE that you are in the right...

From Fla, we find this,
Force in resisting a law enforcement officer § 776.051(1), Fla. Stat.
A person is not justified in using force to resist an arrest by a law enforcement officer, or to resist a law enforcement officer who is engaged in the execution of a legal duty, if the law enforcement officer was acting in good faith and he or she is known, or reasonably appears, to be a law enforcement officer.

Give if applicable.
However, if an officer uses excessive force to make an arrest, then a person is justified in the use of reasonable force to defend [himself] [herself] (or another), but only to the extent [he] [she] reasonably believes such force is necessary. See § 776.012, Fla. Stat.; Ivester v. State, 398 So. 2d 926 (Fla. 1st DCA 1981); Jackson v. State, 463 So. 2d 372 (Fla. 5th DCA 1985).
But if you're in NY...
S 35.27 Justification; use of physical force in resisting arrest prohibied.
A person may not use physical force to resist an arrest, whether
authorized or unauthorized, which is being effected or attempted by a
police officer or peace officer when it would reasonably appear that the
latter is a police officer or peace officer.
Or in Oregon,
161.260 Use of physical force in resisting arrest prohibited. A person may not use physical force to resist an arrest by a peace officer who is known or reasonably appears to be a peace officer, whether the arrest is lawful or unlawful. [1971 c.743 §32]
However, http://www.rayservers.com/blog/your...unlawful-arrest
And on the issue of actually killing an arresting officer in self defense:
“Citizens may resist unlawful arrest to the point of taking an arresting officer’s life if necessary.”
Plummer v. State, 136 Ind. 306. This premise was upheld by the Supreme Court of the United
States in the case: John Bad Elk v. U.S., 177 U.S. 529
Obviously it depends on the circumstances, but an officer acting "under color of law", MAY be resisted. Consider then that you will be lawfully arrested, then you get to prove your case in court.

Obviously these would be very mitigating circumstances involving being fearful for your own life. Resisting arrest just for the sake of resisting is not suggested, and may cause bruising...If your life is not in danger, let the Officer do his duty, then take him to court.

If you are arrested, and have a civil rights case against the officer, let's say a 4th amendment violation, you can sue the officer PERSONALLY. Civil rights violations do not allow for qualified immunity. SO consider whether you would rather fight with an officer or choose to not resist the arrest and win a HUGE $$$ settlement against him later...

Chris D. Bergen

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10-31-2011 05:21 PM  6 years agoPost 12
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First, the Italian justice system is nothing like our own justice system. To use Knox as an example of the short comings of our justice system is just stupid.

Second, Prosecutors and Judges generally do not convict criminals. That is done by a panel of 12 normal, everyday people. You are trying to place blame where it doesnt exist. The Jury convicts or acquits.

Third, if ONLY almost 1000 people have been wrongly convicted out of the millions that have been correctly convicted, then I am OK with that percentage. It is proof that our justice system works exactly the way it was intended.

Steve

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10-31-2011 05:29 PM  6 years agoPost 13
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Benjamin Franklin stated it as, "it is better [one hundred] guilty Persons should escape than that one innocent Person should suffer"

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10-31-2011 05:58 PM  6 years agoPost 14
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Idot campers talking about killing? Jesus guys, WTF are you thinking to defend that? Take your damn chill pill like the doctor said.

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10-31-2011 06:30 PM  6 years agoPost 15
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fwiw....

Third, if ONLY almost 1000 people have been wrongly convicted out of the millions that have been correctly convicted, then I am OK with that percentage. It is proof that our justice system works exactly the way it was intended.[quote]

I can see your point...And I imagine you truly would defend that point...Unless you happened to be one of the 1000...

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10-31-2011 06:41 PM  6 years agoPost 16
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I can see your point...And I imagine you truly would defend that point...Unless you happened to be one of the 1000...
Yes, I will defend that point all day every day. Mainly because I have NEVER, and will NEVER put myself in a position, or situation that even remotely would cause me to have a brush with the law, let alone be put on trial where the rest of my life is in the hands of 12 jurors.

Steve

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10-31-2011 08:32 PM  6 years agoPost 17
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Steve, you would not defend yourself or your family with lethal force if necessary?

Because if you do, then there is a GOOD chance that you will then have to defend yourself in court to a jury of your peers. And they may NOT see it your way.

Just sayin..

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10-31-2011 09:10 PM  6 years agoPost 18
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Chris,

The likely hood of that happening is far and remote, mainly because of my training in weapons use (I'll toot my own horn and state that I am a pretty damn good shot - and at range too). As I am sure you know, there are many ways to disable a perp without the use of lethal force (knee shots, shoulder shots, etc). Blowing a hole in someones head would not be my first choice of action in any situation that requires me to "pull the trigger".

Regardless, I have full and complete faith in a jury based justice system like ours. I would gladly put myself in front of a jury of my peers if the need ever arose.

Steve

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10-31-2011 10:18 PM  6 years agoPost 19
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10-31-2011 11:38 PM  6 years agoPost 20
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ssmith512
you may trust a (jury of my peers), but would you lend them money ? or your car ? i think not, but you would trust them with your life ? and they may be trying to do the right thing but it is the state that is feeding them the info on you, so you have a lot more trust in our government then i do because if there mouth is moving THEY ARE LYING !

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