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10-26-2011 03:39 PM  6 years agoPost 1
theriddick45

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Other than the gv-1 and Futaba 701 what other governor can be use with the stator gator?

Reson I'm asking is I want to test my motor at 2200hs and the gv-1 only goes to 2100hs. And I really like my MB FBL unit.

Thanks in advance!!

Suzi Janis 800e & 700e 3blade both w/Ikon

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10-26-2011 03:42 PM  6 years agoPost 2
Azalin

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Isn't increasing the gear ratio solve your problem?

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10-26-2011 04:28 PM  6 years agoPost 3
Rototerrier

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Yes, as azalyn suggests, changing the gear ratio will allow you to go to any RPM you want. You can run it up until it explodes

You won't know exactly what the headspeed will be, but you can hear it and feel it and that always works best for me.

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10-26-2011 06:05 PM  6 years agoPost 4
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Yeah!! I know bumping the gear ratio will work but I got the 6.76 HB and to bump that up I will have to drill the frame for the 7.18 which I have the tooth for that which I order a while ago but I don't want to drill it yet since is working fine at6.76 and if I go 2200hs I will put the motor rpm at 14872 which is a bit under 15,000 rpm. I just want to test it at 2200 to see what it does since 2100hs is smooth and powerful.

On my experince the combination of 6.76 and a higher HS works for the trex extremely well with the RC-27 motor is like not big not small right in the middle giving a excellent combination. And as Carey says running the motor high work and I can say is true since I did tested hard and it works.

Just for the record this is my opinion don't want to start any argument here. Thanks!!

Suzi Janis 800e & 700e 3blade both w/Ikon

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10-26-2011 06:19 PM  6 years agoPost 5
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Did you guys mean changing the gear ratio displayed in the GV-1 and leaving the heli alone?

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10-26-2011 06:29 PM  6 years agoPost 6
Azalin

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Excuse me? How are you planning to drill the frames to have 7.18 GR? It is very difficult and risky unless you have a cnc router or a similar machine. IMO

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10-26-2011 06:38 PM  6 years agoPost 7
theriddick45

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Is really not that difficult you only have to relocate the bell up and.... yes.... it will be a bit of work but thats not what I'm looking for here I'm looking to know if there is any other governor out there that can be use with the stator gator sensor that is not cap at2100 like the gv-1.

Suzi Janis 800e & 700e 3blade both w/Ikon

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10-26-2011 06:44 PM  6 years agoPost 8
rbort

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Yes
BeltFedBrowning, they did mean to change the gv-1 ratio to fool the governor into running a higher speed - setting it for 2100 for example but in reality getting 2200.

In this example, if you changed the gear ratio from 6.76 to 7.08 (spectra ratio by coincidence), then setting the head speed to 2100 will yield the same engine speed hence your head will turn 2200.

Have a friend verify it with a head tach to confirm.

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Spectra 27 3DMax, 3280 flts
Whiplash V1-2 Hanson 300, 1555 flts
Whiplash V2 Hanson 300, 393 flts

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10-26-2011 07:06 PM  6 years agoPost 9
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Wow that's what I'm talking about. Thanks Rbort didn't know you can do that but I will try it next time I get to the field.

Thanks again for all your help now I dont need to change my gv-1 this is even better. Man!!! Awesome!!! Now I can test this baby out at 2200hs.

Suzi Janis 800e & 700e 3blade both w/Ikon

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10-26-2011 07:25 PM  6 years agoPost 10
Carey Shurley

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never mind, mis-understood the question

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10-26-2011 09:11 PM  6 years agoPost 11
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Sorry...I should have been more clear. Glad you didn't jump into that and start cutting on the frames...that would have sucked.

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10-26-2011 09:24 PM  6 years agoPost 12
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Rototerrier...

Yeap!!! that's exactly what I didnt either. I knew there was a trick/around it.

Thank you all!!!

Suzi Janis 800e & 700e 3blade both w/Ikon

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10-26-2011 10:13 PM  6 years agoPost 13
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In the interest of Safety
Nobody makes a head right now that is safe to run these head speeds and start pumping the pitch with these big machines...

We need something in the area of what Mikado Extreme head design is before I feel it would be safe...

As always, you can do what you want....

Bill

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10-26-2011 10:41 PM  6 years agoPost 14
theriddick45

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Billme...

Thanks you your concern. Safety is always first for me. I do have an RJX FBL head and I thought it is fine and safe at that HS. I will be looking into that ASAP!!

Thanks!!

Suzi Janis 800e & 700e 3blade both w/Ikon

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10-27-2011 12:39 AM  6 years agoPost 15
Fledgling

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BillMe
or anyone else:

What is a max. head speed that currently available heads will take?

Take for example, the Century black (fiber filled plastic?) and metal grip heads. The two offerings on the MA Spectra-G. MA 1005 original head. etc.
(I would have expected to run something south of 2000 for day-to-day safety and longevity)

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10-27-2011 12:44 AM  6 years agoPost 16
Carey Shurley

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the align 600 and 700 metal head machines have been run well beyond 2000 rpm, the 700 electric model weighs about the same as the gas conversions. The Whiplash head has been run over 2K on all 3 platforms and was designed to.

If there any plastic head parts though I certainly wouldn't recommend running 200+gm 710/720 blades at extreme speeds though.

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10-27-2011 01:06 AM  6 years agoPost 17
theriddick45

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Carey Shurley...

I have an RJX FBL Head the one that is for a 10mm shaft. I use EDGE 693 FBL BLADES.

Do you think this is fine?

Suzi Janis 800e & 700e 3blade both w/Ikon

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10-27-2011 01:30 AM  6 years agoPost 18
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""The Whiplash head has been run over 2K""

there is always a braking point,, always !!!

and Blades can brake too, do you know their strength ??
and there is the Screws that hold the Blades to the Grips (remember that post, Bent Blade Screws),
and there is the Screw that hold's the Head to the Main Shaft, they brake too,

test if you want you can't be stopped, but if you hurt someone you may be liable

be safe everyone, it's dangerous out there

Jim
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10-27-2011 01:57 AM  6 years agoPost 19
Carey Shurley

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Do you think this is fine?
Its a $100 retail chinese made rotor head...............use your own judgement I don't have the slightest idea.

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10-27-2011 02:00 AM  6 years agoPost 20
Billme

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Carey, what is the diameter of the Spindle on the Whiplash?

Fledgling,
Its according to what its on....If its on the 20 with metal blade holders 2000 with 620 blades...On a 30 with 710's, 1950
With all metal on both, I have seen 2100, but 2000 is my personal limit, even with 690's..

Like Carey said, i would not want anyone trying to do this with 710,s or 720's even on a all metal head...

Plastic hubs which is still enveloping the spindle with the metal hub itself, is design for Sport flying, loop roll etc with the big machines...
On the 50 size, you can get a little more out of them, but my rule is if you plan to pump the pitch and try to be Bert, then use your bean, and put the right equipment on...

It is the spindle, thrust bearing, and radial bearings that I feel should be upgraded....

I'm sure we have learn lessons on upgrading the drive train, plus stabilizing the clutch area, and have shown great improvement on performance on all machines that have done them....
Since I heard that 2400 was being tried, it has bothered me very much as we progress hearing guys doing these rpms..

We must proceed with caution. We are still flying heads that were designed around 9 and 10 lb machines..Some of us has upgraded the spindle designed around a 90, that's better, but is it good enough for gassers?

That Mikado Extreme head has been making me think

Like I said, this is my opinion....

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