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10-26-2011 12:18 AM  6 years agoPost 1
Rogman88

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2009 When I first started flying I of coarse started with the basic tail in hover, then figure 8's basic flips etc. Then found out about RR and watched the FAI championships vids in 09. This got me into attempting the FAI maneuvers on a crappy sim (Pre-flight) and in real life. Those slow hovering maneuvers in all directions really helped with practicing orientations.

I got a good Sim (RF 5.5) for Christmas in 2009 and having good physics really helped with practice and helped with collective management.

2010 Started practicing basic 3D in 2010 after watching Alan Szabos 2005 vid and smacktalk vids that talked about flying "big" and "small". I was watching smack 3D vids and started practicing smack type stuff up high for real and on the sim low.

2011 Finally started getting comfortable enough to bring "Smack" type flying low, 2400 rpm, but the adrenaline and pucker factor get me shaking so bad that I can barely walk back to the flight line. Batteries come down hot and I can just get a little over 4 minutes of fling time. One of my flying buddies from long ago came out to the field to visit so I started out flying low smack type stuff for his entertainment. I didn't get a word out of him till I started "flying big" with piroetting funnels, hurricanes, loops, death spinners etc, then I got an "I like that!"

When I got back to the pits he and a couple of other guys started talking about how they didn't like "bumblebee on crack" type flying and that smooth 3D is more entertaining to watch.

So lately I've found myself transitioning back to old school smooth 3D during most of my flights and am just expanding the number of my "big" maneuvers like piroetting every maneuver that I already know (loops, funnels, rainbows etc). My batteries come down cooler, I get more flight time and get less pucker cramps in my rear end and feet. If we have visitors, I'll do about 30 seconds of throwing my heli at the ground at the end just to prove that I can still do it. Then I have to go sit down and recover.

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10-26-2011 01:37 AM  6 years agoPost 2
Stephen Born

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For only flying 3 years, it looks as though you have progressed leaps and bounds.

Interesting how a sims, heli videos, and RunRyder can feed the addiction... and determination.

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10-26-2011 02:56 AM  6 years agoPost 3
heli-cuzz

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Mix it up and have fun with it.
Fly for your enjoyment and not others. Mix it up and everyone will appreciate it.

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10-26-2011 04:25 AM  6 years agoPost 4
Justin Stuart (RIP)

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1+ for mix it up.

I personally really like the German style (i.e. Team Mikado). They take precision to the highest level. A lot of American smack tries to be as low and as violent as possible, while the Germans try to be as precise as possible.

I aim for somewhere in the middle.

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10-26-2011 05:42 AM  6 years agoPost 5
dahld

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Many associate "low" with "smack".

But "smack type" flying is rarely performed precisely.

Now, add together precision 3D with defined maneuvers that require great skill and practice to achieve, and throw-in a little "smack" along the way...

...but do it ALL low, now you're onto something

@ Rogman88,

Glad you've seen the light

(-: dave

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10-26-2011 06:24 AM  6 years agoPost 6
OICU812

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Every year i want to lower rpms by 50-100 rpm till I can get through all without depending on power and utilizing as much collective management as possible. I came on the same roads as Rog and was eating bearings and items up, it was fun but not. I to really admire the technical side, it is much more difficult to acheive but in presentation honestly just looks better to.

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10-26-2011 06:41 AM  6 years agoPost 7
Phaedrus

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I fly "Big Sky" aerobatics and old school 3D type flying. I simply do not have the reflexes or stomach for smacking down on the deck. But I still have fun

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10-26-2011 03:00 PM  6 years agoPost 8
Rogman88

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So I guess I'm transitioning to more technical flying...
Yep Dave, after watching Kyle throw it down technically at SRC with rather slower than expected head speeds, I've made up my mind that I want to fly more technical. My inability to feel collective center makes for throwing a heli around aimlessly easier and without thought, but makes for sloppy flying. The average plankers and heli pilots at my field don't notice it as much, but I sure can.
Hopefully practicing straight lines, semetrical circles and loops will pay off in the long run with more precise flying. I'm also working on perfecting moves in all orientations, even skids-in 4 point tic tocs. I've turned my Logo 600 rpm down from 1950/2400 to 2100 on idleup 1 and 2300 on idleup 2. I've found myself rarely going into idleup 2 anymore due to not really needing it to do smooth flow technical 3D. I do need to set up bank switching on the vbar to take out some expo on the slower speeds as I had a fair amount in at 2400.

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10-26-2011 03:05 PM  6 years agoPost 9
Phaedrus

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I really like doing a large, and perfectly round, loop. Or a Cuban 8 with crsip 45 degree lines, round 5/8ths loops and the rolls centered right in front of me.

But I feel the same way about plank flying. For me it is all about precision, and a heli is a whole lot harder to fly precisely than a plank. I evaluate my flying like I am flying a pattern sequence.

I learned to fly 3 mistakes high, but it seems now the accepted practice is to fly 1/2-mistake high!!

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10-26-2011 07:12 PM  6 years agoPost 10
Rogman88

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I've found that little short "pop" type flying almost becomes "wrote memory" with a bunch of stick movements just happening without thought. Large big figures are harder to make look good, especially while piroetting, flipping or rolling through the maneuvers.

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10-26-2011 07:25 PM  6 years agoPost 11
jschenck

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I have a hard time getting a big cuban-8 to look good - that is the style of flying that suite's me though. Big loops and 8 are easy to do. A judge-able loop is not. For my piro-flips on my 700 I've reduced headspeed to 1500'ish. bonus, don't go through the fuel as fast. Also been using that for hovering. Those that think they have hovering down should try to keep the heli exactly in one spot 10' off the ground as you spin the tail around at a speed that'll take 15-30 seconds to complete the pirouette. Do that with some wind, pushing the tail around both clockwise and counter-clockwise. Try some of the FAI hovering maneuvers. It's actually something I like to challenge myself with. Very subtle stick pressures to do it.

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10-27-2011 03:41 AM  6 years agoPost 12
Rogman88

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Here is february 2010. I'd been flying almost a year. Still big air, but started practicing tic tocs.

Watch at YouTube

November 2010 started learning more orientations and trying more 3D maneuvers.

Watch at YouTube

July 2011 I was in my bumblebee on crack phase 2400 rpm.

Watch at YouTube

September 2011 I started flying lower and expanding larger moves. I lowered the rpm to 2300 from 2400. Still need much more practice and to fly lower.

Watch at YouTube

Now I'm down to 2100 rpm and really concentrating on precision. No worthy vids and my hat cam battery can barely make a whole flight.
...but do it ALL low, now you're onto something
Yeah but I can't afford to be onto that something...Terra Firma.

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10-27-2011 07:24 AM  6 years agoPost 13
BobOD

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Rog! I didn't realize you had only been flying a couple years! Wow, I'm impressed...usually only see that kind of progress in the youngsters.

Keep at it, you surely have "the gift".

Now, I would not suggest you change your path one bit, you are clearly onto the right path. It's often amazed me what some pilots can do with so little MAH and it sure does show skills.

But, just for a future thought, for you to consider, the amount of power you will be able to fly, and control, is a function of two things. Your skill, and, the precision of the bird. I realize that's a pretty simple concept, proven many times over, but, believe it or not, a lot of people seem to lose sight of it for some reason.

That comes later though...for now, jolly good.

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