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10-25-2011 06:30 PM  6 years agoPost 1
Solmanbandit

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There is a big debate with some of the officers regarding where a pilot must stand when flying heli's. When flying airplanes, you must stand behind the fence. Ok, I can live with that. But they are pushing the heli guys to do the same. Is there a safety item that requires heli guys to be behind a fence as far as the AMA is concerned?

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10-25-2011 06:42 PM  6 years agoPost 2
Rogue123

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What ever the club dems as the flight line.

From the AMA rule book line 6

"comply with comparable standards.
B. RADIO CONTROL (RC)
1. All pilots shall avoid flying directly over unprotected people, vessels, vehicles or structures and shall avoid endangerment of life and property of others.
2. A successful radio equipment ground-range check in accordance with manufacturer’s recommendations will be completed before the first flight of a new or
repaired model aircraft.
3. At all flying sites a safety line(s) must be established in front of which all flying takes place (AMA Document #706-Recommended Field Layout):
(a) Only personnel associated with flying the model aircraft are allowed at or in front of the safety line.
(b) At air shows or demonstrations, a straight safety line must be established.
(c) An area away from the safety line must be maintained for spectators.
(d) Intentional flying behind the safety line is prohibited.
4. RC model aircraft must use the radio-control frequencies currently allowed by the Federal Communications Commission (FCC). Only individuals properly
licensed by the FCC are authorized to operate equipment on Amateur Band frequencies.
5. RC model aircraft will not operate within three (3) miles of any pre-existing flying site without a frequency-management agreement (AMA Documents #922-
Testing for RF Interference; #923- Frequency Management Agreement)
6. With the exception of events flown under official AMA Competition Regulations, excluding takeoff and landing, no powered model may be flown outdoors
closer than 25 feet to any individual, except for the pilot and the pilot's helper(s) located at the flight line.
7. Under no circumstances may a pilot or other person touch a model aircraft in flight while it is still under power, except to divert it from striking an individual.
This does not apply to model aircraft flown indoors.
8. RC night flying requires a lighting system providing the pilot with a clear view of the model’s attitude and orientation at all times.
9. The pilot of a RC model aircraft shall:
(a) Maintain control during the entire flight, maintaining visual contact without enhancement other than by corrective lenses prescribed for the pilot.
(b) Fly using the assistance of a camera or First-Person View (FPV) only in accordance with the procedures outlined in AMA Document #550.
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10-25-2011 06:44 PM  6 years agoPost 3
Phaedrus

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The AMA Safety Code makes no distinction regarding aircraft type. It also does not require pilot stations or fences or anything like that.

These are applicable sections:
3. At all flying sites a safety line(s) must be established in front of which all flying takes place (AMA Document #706-Recommended Field Layout):

(a) Only personnel associated with flying the model aircraft are allowed at or in front of the safety line.

(b) At air shows or demonstrations, a straight safety line must be established.

(c) An area away from the safety line must be maintained for spectators.

(d) Intentional flying behind the safety line is prohibited.
and
6. With the exception of events flown under official AMA Competition Regulations, excluding takeoff and landing, no powered model may be flown outdoors closer than 25 feet to any individual, except for the pilot and the pilot's helper(s) located at the flight line.

7. Under no circumstances may a pilot or other person touch a model aircraft in flight while it is still under power, except to divert it from striking an individual. This does not apply to model aircraft flown indoors.
Clubs are free to require more strict rules than the AMA guidelines.

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10-25-2011 07:30 PM  6 years agoPost 4
coptercptn

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It's what ever your Club decides it wants at its field.. you can have input to that..

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10-25-2011 07:44 PM  6 years agoPost 5
Gyronut

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How far are the pilot stations away from the heli..???

What is the issue..??

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10-25-2011 07:56 PM  6 years agoPost 6
coptercptn

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our club has flight stations adjacent (4 feet away) to the flight line..but you can have the heli 4 feet away if you dare... just have it away from the spectaters... (they are behind a fence...)

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10-25-2011 10:17 PM  6 years agoPost 7
Rogman88

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When I spool up my helis, the blades start out at about mid leg to knee high. If a loose blade ejects due to new onset centrifugal force, I'd prefer it hit the little fence in front of me than my legs! I think it's a good idea to do so regarless of club rules.

I am assuming that you are referring to the little fence that is in front of the pilots and not the chain link fence that normally separates the flight line from spectator areas at many fields.

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10-25-2011 11:08 PM  6 years agoPost 8
Solmanbandit

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Ours is a small fabric link fence. It didn't do anything for me the last time I threw a tail blade. It landed 20 ft behind me in the pits. To top it off, it was a 450 tail blade. Some of the old farts who know nothing about heli's or give a damn. They are only enforcing the rules that they want to push. I did find those rules, thanks. I just wanted to see if there was anything else that I was missing. We have a new president being elected next month and I know that some things are going to change.

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10-25-2011 11:33 PM  6 years agoPost 9
Jeff polisena

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Planes have pilot stations ,heli pilots have no specific station so where ever is comfortable for pilot at our club .We have separate heli section but when flying off of run way, heli pilots stand in pilot stations as plane pilots do .

As all clubs have issues between the two ,you have to go to meetings and explain without disrespect on how it is different with helis and planes . At end of day club decides the rules .

I stole it ,flew it and gave it back ;)

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10-25-2011 11:39 PM  6 years agoPost 10
honda411

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and I would also like to add to this. Solman and I fly at the same field, and was there when the incident occured.

See the older guys that fly planes dont know a darn thing about what these helis can do and how fast they can react.

There is a fence in front of the runway where they say you must stand while flying. The fence is only about or below waste height. The purpose they say for the fencing, is just incase an airplane is taking off or landing, it doesnt hit you and take you out.

The issue we are having is, US heli pilots tend to stand either slightly in front or between the two fences on the taxi way. Not to mention when we fly, there is only 1 heli up at a time, and no planes.

The reason we fly in that spot, and here is an example of what happened to me. I was flying, doing a maneuver, heli got behind me, and nearly hit me in the head. Luckily i was able to move out of the way fast enough, because i stood where there was no fence blocking me in. If I had been in the fence area, i would have been hit. They dont understand, when we have to or need to move fast, we can because we are not in the fence area. Get where im at on this guys?

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10-25-2011 11:51 PM  6 years agoPost 11
Phaedrus

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I have to say that I am mystified by the argument that you need to have the room to run away easily if your heli gets behind you!! Fence or no fence, WTH are you doing flying in a manner that this is an issue??

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10-26-2011 12:14 AM  6 years agoPost 12
Jeff polisena

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Not a good argument , makes helis sound more dangerous to people already trying to say they are . Take a plane guy and put him on cord and let him fly a heli and you might have more luck with getting them to understand why heli guys stand where they do . If you can show them some YouTube videos on heli fun flys this might help also .

I stole it ,flew it and gave it back ;)

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10-26-2011 12:25 AM  6 years agoPost 13
Rogman88

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My buddy was taking his 450 off one time and was in high piroette rates when he started a quick piro about 6 feet up. The heli spun really fast causing him to over react. I was beside him when the heli came out of the spin nose in and flying at my head. I had to dive to the ground to avoid a face and/or hair cut. We weren't behind the pilot fence, but really wouldn't have helped as I had to dive sideways to avoid the rotors.

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10-26-2011 12:43 AM  6 years agoPost 14
2tall

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Some amazing stuff here...
As a club member your first obligation is to obey the rules. If those rules are flawed or outdated you can present your case for the appropriate amendments. If that effort fails, obey the rules or fly elsewhere.

At our club the flight line fencing and pilot stations are there to protect pilots from aircraft that they or their spotter may not be watching, especially planks that may be straying from the runway during take-off or landing. Not all clubs allow simultaneous flying, but most do and the protective fencing is a nice luxury to have.

There have been a number of threads on runryder addressing the "we-they" attitude between heli pilots and plankers that invades some clubs, often attributed to the narrow minded "Old Farts". (I am an old fart - but a heli pilot and not narrow minded. I may be the only one.) An essential step toward removing the heli versus plank fences - no pun intended - is to respect club rules and the accepted procedures for their establishment and change.
The reason we fly in that spot, and here is an example of what happened to me. I was flying, doing a maneuver, heli got behind me, and nearly hit me in the head.
Most plankers would not see this incident as justification for removing the fence or changing flying positions, but rather for building a cage. You were able to evade a heli that you were piloting and watching closely, and that got behind you. What about those behind you, in the pits or spectator area, that were not watching your ship?

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10-26-2011 01:37 AM  6 years agoPost 15
honda411

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well luckily no one was there when this heli came behind me.

All plane guys are very much respected and I have very good relations with nearly every 150 members at the club. I respect all rules they have. One fellow member that is in somewhat of the board, will make this noticeable to all members to have a "helicopter standing" spot, or where ever we feel most comfortable.

Rogman: I couldnt imagine if there was a fence next to you where you dove out of the way. This is nearly a perfect example of kinda what im getting at. No arguement here, just trying to see what maybe we can possibly tell at the next club meeting.

With fences, some of us feel kind of like "trapped in". And for me i can focus very well on my heli, knowing I cant move around. I guess its probably just a personal issue. But keep the opinions coming and maybe we both can come up with something for the board members.

Although they did say there was no rules particularly for helicopters on where the stand. The rules are made for planes only. So one ex board member guy said we can possibly get a helicopter standing rule.

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10-26-2011 02:48 AM  6 years agoPost 16
Rogman88

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Our little pilots fence runs parallel to the flight line. In front of us. You can see in the Vid. I had to dive parallel to that fence which is why it wouldn't have been in my way. Sorry if it came across wrong. I have had to break and run on many occasions when both helis and planks have gone into no man's land.I'm on my phone. I hope this goes through. My buddy (same one who almost gave me a haircut) goes for a dramatic takeoff and...well you can see what happens.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mzR2...be_gdata_player

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10-26-2011 02:57 AM  6 years agoPost 17
Justin Stuart (RIP)

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I don't bring my heli to the planker club anymore. Too much hassle.

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