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10-24-2011 11:59 PM  6 years agoPost 21
dahld

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@ mmc205,

"...but i'm not seeing the a big gain in performance for all the extra money."

You're largely correct. "Performance" is however largely a subjective argument. But still, you're comment has merit.

You're not going to "out collective pump" a modern day hot 600/700 class machine with the XXtreme. But on the other hand, the XXtreme's agility in cyclic response is...well, as Jaime Robertson said about Kyle's machine @ the XFC when Jaime first flew it, "It's too fast for my liking in cyclic". And you can't state by any stretch of the imagination that Jaime's Logo 600's are "slow".

And as stated before, the XXtreme's tail is without compromise.

I guess if you want to spend the money for a larger class machine, it's no different than wanting a 700 class heli instead of a 500 class. You just know in your heart you want it.

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10-25-2011 12:01 AM  6 years agoPost 22
LaurenceGough

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Don't be so quick Dave, who knows what the future holds I think one day the 800's will be faster than other classes. Although then the 900s will be appearing... Haha .

Next gen battery tech perhaps...

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10-25-2011 03:04 AM  6 years agoPost 23
Chuck Bole

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Not going to comment on getting a XXtreme.. But, personally i think
12s is the new 600 size power system and 14s for 700 size power systems.. Just my opinion tho.. I've ran a converted E Synergy on 14S since Spring of 2010. Always wanted a longer boom and blades for it too.

Glad to see power systems being devloped for larger machines. If i could get my hands on it i'd run 16s+ if there was a machine out there to handle it. If nothing else just to see it better..

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10-25-2011 02:38 PM  6 years agoPost 24
rexxigpilot

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Probably won't see higher than 14S since this equates to 58.8V at full charge and 60VDC is considered the maximum safe DC voltage. Consumer products that need certifications will not exceed 60VDC.

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10-25-2011 02:42 PM  6 years agoPost 25
fiordaliso

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Yes, you are right.

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10-25-2011 04:40 PM  6 years agoPost 26
Chuck Bole

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Wonder if that's why Kontronik quit makeing the PowerJazz?
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10-25-2011 05:38 PM  6 years agoPost 27
mmc205

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Probably won't see higher than 14S since this equates to 58.8V at full charge and 60VDC is considered the maximum safe DC voltage. Consumer products that need certifications will not exceed 60VDC.
true, but they may get around that by saying that though the esc is capable of that, those in the US should not use 15s or 16S. This would probably make it so they do not need to be UL registered. Maybe it falls into a gray area of sorts then. Now if they were to sell you a 16s lipo and the esc together, then they would need a UL cert.

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10-25-2011 05:56 PM  6 years agoPost 28
Ronald Thomas

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The Powerjazz was 15s capable years ago......

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10-25-2011 05:59 PM  6 years agoPost 29
mmc205

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also, i believe the voltage limits are different in europe, i believe their a bit higher.

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10-25-2011 06:39 PM  6 years agoPost 30
rexxigpilot

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I believe the US recently raised the 50VDC limit to 60VDC to match the Euro standard. 12S is basically the old 50V limit.

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10-26-2011 01:25 AM  6 years agoPost 31
husafreak

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You know how people allways come on this Logo forum after they get a Logo 600 (or whatever) and say how excited they are and how "you have to fly one to understand". Well the xxtreme will be the same. What's different is not many have seen an 800 size heli (not a stretched 700!). The xxtreme is BIG, it looks AMAZING in the air, it is WAY COOLER than a little 700 heli. I wish I could say I will get one, maybe I won't be able to for whatever reason, hey, I still haven't gotten a 150cc IMAC machine after all these years with a 100cc bird. But I have seen it and it is a different class of machine, you will either have one or you won't, if you buy a 700 class machine it will not be the same as the xxtreme at all.

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10-26-2011 01:43 AM  6 years agoPost 32
wrongler

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If "The Price is Right" Who knows? It would be nice Just to see a price list of parts! What would a crash kit cost for this beast?

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10-26-2011 01:52 AM  6 years agoPost 33
Steff Giguere

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Forget a price list of parts, just tell us much for a kit please.

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11-01-2011 12:51 AM  6 years agoPost 34
Redlight

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I won't be able to afford one next year (new baby on the way) but as soon as the bank account can stomach it, I will be flying the Xxtreme. Mikado makes an amazing bird and I have no reason to believe that this beast will be any different.

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11-01-2011 05:10 AM  6 years agoPost 35
spdntckt

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What would be good to understand is how the heli is positioned... imo the marketing could be a lot better. just my opinion (however, i do realize there is probably not a lot of $ spend on real product management here)

Here is a simple way to look at it:

Align: Cheap, easy to get parts. Focus not necc. on quality but quantity and availability

Henseleit/TDR: Niche player, focus on quality, high speed, and efficiency.

ThunderPower: Focus on advanced chemistry, value through performance not necessarily price...

Kontronik: Focus on quality and 'plug and play' - no tweaking needed.

In one sentence.. what is the real goal of the xxtreme? First smack 800 class heli? is it light? or fast? or most agile? or most durable? or is it just to stimulate a new market for 800 class machines?

i think i know the answer.. but again the positioning here is vague...

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11-01-2011 10:40 AM  6 years agoPost 36
OnTheSnap

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Mikado is an engineering driven company, and marketing is more an artifact of the great products the engineers end up producing.

I think 2 years ago the Mikado engineers wanted a real engineering challenge that truly broke new ground and created a new market. Build the first truly 3D capable 800 class heli. Similar to their pioneering efforts in flybarless, which eventually revolutionized the entire industry. How it's ultimately marketed and the size of the market was likely an afterthought. It it were a priority, then the Xxtreme would probably be a 450.

Some companies are really good at figuring out how to mass produce the most cost effective model and generate the most bang for the buck. While others excel at true R&D and develop truly unique designs. These are the ones that end up leading the market and transforming industries. This is why I think Mikado is so exciting to watch.

IMO the Xxtreme is probably 2 years ahead of a "mainstream" 800 market. Although its existence may hasten that timeline. It will probably be a while before we see a true competitor other then conversions of 700 class heli's.

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11-02-2011 02:52 PM  6 years agoPost 37
redbird300

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Three words: "Yes, I will"

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11-06-2011 11:22 PM  6 years agoPost 38
fiordaliso

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Price for the Combo (Kit, ESC (YGE) and Motor (Scorpion?), 800 Ege) will be around 2200-2300 Euro here in Europe.

That is what has been reported from the Toy Fair in Friedrichshafen, Germany this weekend.

That´s actually around 3100 USD.

A few first kits should hit the market in December, everything else is expected to be shipped in Jan/Feb 2012.
That´s at least what Ralf told me today.

All the other stuff needed (HV Servos, HV BEC, Receiver) will further push up your investment.

4 k and it´s yours. Hopefully.

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11-07-2011 12:58 PM  6 years agoPost 39
mmc205

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wow, thats a bit pricey.

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11-07-2011 01:21 PM  6 years agoPost 40
Justin Stuart (RIP)

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Guys, please remember my prophetic words:

800mm machines will be the "must have" helicopters for IRCHA 2012 and by 2014, 12s will only be for 550 and smaller while the "real competitors" will all be flying 16s on their 800mm machines. Whatever this 60V limit is that many have mentioned will be abandoned. The Logo Xxtreme will probably undergo some changes to make it more palatable to consumers, but by 2014 when all of the Logo 600 fanboys have one, I want all of you guys to refer back to this thread from the winter of 2011 and remember all of those reasons that Dave posted for not wanting one. In my opinion, the stock Logo 600 is already extremely pricey. $216 for a canopy? Yet I see thread after thread after thread about how "I love my Logo 600". The same will hold true for the Xxtreme. Mikado knows what they are doing. They always have. Wait and see.

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