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10-16-2011 06:17 PM  6 years agoPost 1
Garrett5ss

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Alright, so if any of you have seen any of my other posts ive been learning (finally) to get on board with the micro 4 chs, SICK of being bored to death with my 3 ch I almost dont even fly it anymore unless to show off to a few friends wondering if they are interested in the hobby as well (turns out i have a friend whos always been into r/c cars, but saw me fly my 3 ch like it was a piece of cake, which it is once you have enough time like any otther), And hes hooked! So Ive pretty much only used my 3 ch teaching him techniques that I learned the hard way lol, like throttle control, keeeping a cool head in tight spots and having the confidence to get out of them.

Now that im up to 4 ch's giving a few lessons on 3's I think its time for me to take the plunge and get a REAL controller for these bad boys and break down and buy a phoenix sim to start playing with inbetween battery charges..

BUT I need advice from everyone who has some to share on what the best 6 channel (thats what ive been told to just go ahead and get) that will last me for a long time through my transitions of different helicopters instead of buying a controller RTF with every heli I buy, also to plug into the SIM! Now so far everyone I've asked personally or seen online here is very fond of the DX6i I think its called, only con is no backlighting, but is it really all that bad for whats been called one of the greatest 6 ch remotes to start with...?

Im not too concerned with the prices as I dont need a knockoff clone that will only last a short time, I want something that I can use from my mini 4 ch learning all the way up to the next step of maybe buying a 500 and learning to hover outside tail in, then nose in etc...

All advice apprecited! Thanks in advance, ya'll have been so helpful in my growth in this hobby, cant thank you enough to everyone!

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10-16-2011 11:55 PM  6 years agoPost 2
devin120

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Canada

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Learn to fly 101
To learn to fly you need to buy a 30-50 size nitro or electric heli.

The made in china taiwan rtf 3 ch 4 ch BS stuff is for impulse buyers who watch a video on youtube and think they fly like that out of the box.

I fly nothing smaller then a 450.

Not a sport for shallow pockets. However its not an expensive sport for knoweldgable buyers.

My vote, start from scratch, Order realflight and a raptor 50 v2 OR E620 if you like 4 minute flights and waiting on batteries with all runnning gear form your local dealer. Practice on the Sim while building the heli, learn to fly, thank me later. STAY AWAY FROM GARBAGE

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10-17-2011 12:10 AM  6 years agoPost 3
RaptorRob

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you need at least a dx7 if you think your ever going to fly a nitro i fly all futaba but will be buying a dx7 so i can bnf all the foamies from horizon and have an extra heli radio.

the dx6i will work for any size electric heli from the mcpx all the way to a 700 size

i started with a 7 ch futaba and now fly the futaba 10c and love it. when i started i thought i would never want that much radio but now i use all the programing

no babe i swear i sold my other heli to buy this one :)

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10-17-2011 02:22 AM  6 years agoPost 4
Garrett5ss

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Mobile, AL USA

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Devin im alittle confused on why you think I would go the cheap way and buy garbage, as I stated in my post, im just looking for a controller that I can use for my minis' and also for when im ready to move up to a heli that I want to fly outside..

Sure I may be taking baby steps as far as buying micro 4 ch's, but thats how I am looking at the hobby, learn to fly small to speed up the learning curve (also with the SIM) before I spend my money on something much more expensive and bigger to fly outside, but honestly I'd like to learn at my own pace, starting with a mini 4 ch then moving up to the next I feel confident personally in flying..

Yeah Ive heard many people telling me to just skip mini and FP all together, but I'd like to learn the workings of a 4 ch, co-ax and FP before I move up to something higher.. I have really no plans of running a nitro heli, I'd much rather stick with Electric..
Also I do realize that a lot of you advanced pilot

All im asking is controller that many of you advanced pilots recommend for a starter, but also to continue from micros, to then larger heli's.. I dont want a piece of garbage, I want something that will last me without having to invest in another because it isnt sufficient enough to bind with a small 4ch then to a larger 4-6 ch depending on how confident I am after I learn how to fly properly without wind conditions, then taking it to the next step. Still confusing to me why you would think I just want a cheap garbage knock off, definately was not in my post at all.

@Rob, I thank you for your advice on the uses of the dx6i, because my question was really, what should I use for binding my Small heli's all the way up to an electronic 700.. Thats the advice I was looking for, appreciate very much! I think i'll go with the dx6i first, then when im ready to move on maybe 7-10 ch, but i have much to learn and im not starting big, but small, and needing a SIM controller also a controller I can bind all my heli's with just one single controller.

Thanks you guys for the information and advice! Very much appreciated!

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10-22-2011 01:52 AM  6 years agoPost 5
dkshema

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Bind n Fly transmitter. Since the majority of BNF models have Spektrum guts, you'll be looking for either a JR or Spektrum transmitter. There are few, if any, BNF Futaba items on the market. Same for Airtronics and HiTec. That makes brand selection easy.

The DX6i would fill your needs, it will work fine with ALL of those aforementioned BNF products, and it will allow you to someday eventually transition to a "real" RC helicopter. As long as you stay electric powered, six channels will go a long way. If you ever decide to move up to a nitro powered heli and wish to use a governor, then you'll want a minimum of 7 channels.

So. The DX6i would be fine, if you can score a good, used DX7, even better for the long run.

I haven't seen a lot of people talking about the "new" DX7 replacement, perhaps because for a few dollars more you can buy an 8 channel DX8 and get a few more features for the buck.

You get the added bonus that all of these TX will run on a SIM.

Buy, fly, enjoy.

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10-22-2011 03:04 AM  6 years agoPost 6
wifeorheli

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get a dx7 or something along the lines so you will not outgrow it. Make the investment it will pay off. atleast 7 channels. So when you nitro or electric you will be good.

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10-22-2011 03:08 AM  6 years agoPost 7
Garrett5ss

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Thanks man, appreciate that.. I have new question though since my birthday is in a few weeks and im getting way to old to be asking for presents hehe, but since ive been buying these RTF heli's, now own 5 (Three 3 ch's, 2 4ch's all co-ax with a FP 4 ch on the way)..

Now if I get a dxi6 will I be able to bind to these already RTF helis? I realize they all run on their own individual frequency, but isnt that pretty much how BnF works? Reconizes whats throwing out a signal in order to bind? I mean i have 5 controllers now and its getting crowded lol, and i plan expanding my fleet by the dozens So can i bind and fly these already RTF heli's or am i just going to have to buy kits and Bnf helis from now on and keep the controllers i use? I already feel that im going to go to the dxi6 jsut for the main purpose of expanding in my love for this hobby from micros to larger eletric.. I'll maybe one day fly nitro, but im more on getting a controller that works for all so I can get used to just ONE controller instead of having a million different designs, also for SIM practice

Thanks again for all the advice!

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10-22-2011 03:59 AM  6 years agoPost 8
wifeorheli

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as long as there spektrum dsm2 yes. Get a dx7 that one more channel will pay off later i promise ya

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10-22-2011 04:00 AM  6 years agoPost 9
dkshema

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Whoaaaa, hold on thar.

What kind of current stuff do you own? You call them Bind N Fly, but who makes them to begin with. Bind N Fly in general terms is one thing, but when it comes to shelling out some hard-earned cash, it's best to know WHAT stuff you currently would expect to use your new-found TX with.

If you are referring to stuff like the E-flite Blade MCx, ParkZone foamies and other stuff that is Spektrum 2.4 GHz DSM compatible and generally comes out of Horizon Hobbies, then a DX6i, DX7, DX8, DX11, JR X9303, X9503...will work just fine and bind with no problem.

But if your current fleet is something from Banzai Baby (one of my older brothers had an electric train set many years ago of that brand name) or some other oddball outfit, and is NOT DSM compatible, save your money.

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10-22-2011 04:04 AM  6 years agoPost 10
dkshema

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i plan expanding my fleet by the dozens
Remember, if you plan on having a separate model memory for each RTF model stored away in the TX, the DX7 has room for 20 models, the X9303 room for 30, the X9503 has room for 50, and the 11X uses an SD card so the number is unlimited.

The DX6i will only store setups for 10 models.

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10-22-2011 04:13 AM  6 years agoPost 11
wifeorheli

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Well said DKS. We need to know what you got man

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10-22-2011 06:05 AM  6 years agoPost 12
Garrett5ss

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Mobile, AL USA

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Ah nice tips there guys, appreciate it all, now im wondering whether to go with the dx6i or dx7, now for reference i am new to 4ch, but pretty much spend as much time flying and perfecting lol (to keep me busy from other things that havnt worked out in the past if u catch my drift) and practicing because its just become a damn passion,i mean at first it was just kinda fun to show off, play around, whatever when i got my first micro 3 ch a few months ago, but this has become a bug for me thanks to youtube hehe :P

Anyway, what im working with now, which will be the lowest of what im trying to bind an fly is my two 4 ch's
Esky Nano Co-ax 4 ch
Blade MCX co-ax 4 ch
GW 9958 FP 4ch (on its way, hopefully by the end of next week)

I have an offbrand turd of a medium sized 3 channel that does perform well, but i have 3 extra I've just used for parts.. I guess that was my learning curve lol.. Ive since gotten a friend into r/c heli's playing around with my 3 ch (it got so much boring that i felt so comfortable with it id max it out to make up any trick or crazy flight i could, im sure you've all been there ).. I figure I'll keep that remote also for my younger cousin who is also intrested and wanting to learn, keeping that 3 ch remote would keep the restrictions of a 3 to the remote to learn and fail before you can move up.

One thing i have to say about the NANO vs the MCX is the NANO is complete trash... 4 out of 14 flights were crashes due to I was still learning 4 ch trimming with aileron and elevator, also rpm speed of the rotors... The first one i recieved was damaged in shipment, I had watched a few videos on youtube relating to the Esky remote and the nano and binding issues kept me frustrated for half an hour somtimes, also had to send it back because the brackets for the servos attatch tothe curcuit board bracket and once pushed forward enough knocks them both out of place.. Second heli i got was very very unstable no matter how many procautions i took in an open town house learning 4 ch.. after 4 crashes and 14 flights the top rotor A gear stripped down and its no longer in service, im ordering a new one monday because im determined to make it work lol..

Bought an MCX from Blade (who i should have stuck with originally) and after a few flights maybe 3 minor crashes or shutdowns im able to do figure eights, drifting short and long... this is how a 4 ch should fly!

I bought the GW single rotor FP 9958 friday, hope to get it by the end of the week, heard good things about this heli..

So thats what im flying right now at this moment, I know its not anything exciting for you veterans lol, but you have to start from the bottom, I cant see me buying a Goblin 700 and going out there and tearing through the skies for more than 20 seconds lol, but i plan to move up, once i feel as confident with the 4ch co-ax mcx and the 9958 as i did with a few 3 ch's.. Ill move up to something to play with outside, I figure why even worry about nitro right now..? I just want one controller to fly them all, well not all, but I think u get what i mean.. from these micros im learning on to moving up to outdoor helis with with either a 6 or 7 ch remote that i can count to last me so that I can be used to one remote and bind to all as i build my fleet and perfect my skill..

Its a bug, its a virus i tell you! This helicopter thing lol, ever since my first flight... I just want the best birthday present that will last me through maybe 7 more helis as i add onto my fleet from micro to outside also with SIM port, so leme know what you guys think, thanks again for all the help!

PS I do planning on moving up as fast and as comfortable as i become and if money permits me lol, I spend alot of time being careful, but also testing a few limits, but hey dont we all? :P

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10-22-2011 02:11 PM  6 years agoPost 13
OldNewbie

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It looks like you live a big city there must be a heli club near you that you could join that would help you with all this. I'm brand new to this hobby myself and never would be able to get anywhere without the help of the guys at the field. Also, I think if watch them big 600 and 700 birds in person, not on youtube, you will find yourself wanting to move up to these awesome birds yourself. Very little of what you learn with the tiny little 4-channel helis are going to help much when you do move up to 450 or 600 or where ever you decide to go. When I got my first 450 I thought "oh this is the biggest bird I will ever need". that was two months ago and I've already just bought a 50 size nitro. The small birds get thrown around by the wind so much that it really limits your flying if live in a wind prone area.

Again, my advice for what it is worth (probably not even .02) is to find a local club. the advice on the forums is awesome but pales in comparison of a seasoned vet dialing in your stuff for you and helping you set up your radio. Have fun.

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10-22-2011 06:15 PM  6 years agoPost 14
Garrett5ss

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Thats a good idea, Not really sure how to go about looking for a club in this lamo city lol, I'm sure there has to be atleast one! Good thinking, i didnt even think about that..

So in my head the question still lingers in my head.. the dxi6 or dx7.... hrmmmm maybe price will determine the controller for now since funds are limited until the end of the year (and i just dropped about $250 on these 3 micros
Esky NANO (definately not RTF out of the box, nor flew right at all, I suggest to any other newbie out there to steer clear of this one!)
Blade MCX ( Owned it less than 24 hours now and could not be happier!)
GW 9958 (shipping from hong kong, so prob wont see it for a while lol)

So what'll it be guys, the 6 or 7? Would it just be better off to go ahead and get the 7 because ill prob end up having to get it later on down the road anyway? lol i dont know.. I wish i had the oppurtunity to borrow each for like 24 hours to make my decision lol, I;m going to start looking for a local heli club right now and maybe get the oppurtunity to check them both out if i can

Thanks guys btw, been a huge help!! So glad i've finally found a hobby that i love and a message board with such friendly and helpful more experienced people that arent out to flame the newbs for being stupid and all that, seems all message boards these days have like 12 of those asses that just know it all and expect you to do so as well lol, forgetting they were once in the same spot! Thanks guys!

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10-23-2011 01:03 PM  6 years agoPost 15
Gyronut

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I fly a 6I and it works well.

If you have the money buy the DX7 it will take you a long way.

Rick

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10-23-2011 11:31 PM  6 years agoPost 16
RaptorRob

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If looking for a heli club join the ama and then use there search engine for clubs ... Or just post where you are here asking for someone local for help. And i think somewere on here there is a mentor program thread were you can find someone close. Most heli guys are more than willing to help.

no babe i swear i sold my other heli to buy this one :)

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10-24-2011 12:48 AM  6 years agoPost 17
Garrett5ss

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Thanks guys really appreciate all the advice, we'll see what funds i can scoop up whether for the 6 or 7, seems either will last me long enough to continue moving up with one single controller, thats my main thing i just want to use one so i can get so used to it through flying and also the SIM and not have to learn new remotes, new ways to bind etc..

AMA..? Ill look furthur down on the message board, guess your talking about another part of this forum so ill definately be checking it out, thanks again for all the info and help so far guys, glad to be a part of this community and cant wait to keep feeding this bug inside me to fly constantly :P

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10-24-2011 01:27 AM  6 years agoPost 18
OldNewbie

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Garrett,

The AMA is the "Academy of Model Aeronautics". Their website is http://www.modelaircraft.org They do a ton of stuff to keep our hobby legal and set rules for clubs and events etc. They also include an insurance policy free with your paid membership that will cover you if you ever damage someone else's property with your RC model. This is the best $58 you can spend. You can find local clubs through them or else I'm sure if you checked at a local hobby shop in your area that sells RC gear can give you a list of all the clubs in your area.

Jay

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10-28-2011 02:18 AM  6 years agoPost 19
Garrett5ss

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Thanks oldnewbie, Ive actually contacted two of the three local clubs less than 20 miles from where i live via email, just waiting to hear back

Neither of the two clubs ive contacted says anything about insurance, but I think ill prob just go out there and meet everyone for a few times, get some tips, watch the pros do what they do.. Maybe find someone to take me under their wing as i progress :P

Thanks again everyone for your help, advice, and tips!

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10-28-2011 02:40 AM  6 years agoPost 20
dkshema

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If they are an AMA chartered club, you will be required to be an AMA member. AMA, among other things, provides the clubs and site owners with liability insurance. If they knowingly let a non-AMA member fly at their site, all parties would be liable and not covered by the AMA's insurance in the event of an accident.

The AMA also provides YOU, as a member, with $2.5 million dollars worth of liability insurance, as long as you fly in accordance with their published Safety Code. You can fly ANYWHERE, and be insured, as long as you follow the code. Note that the insurance is "secondary" to any liability insurance you may already have. If you have no other liability insurance, it simply becomes your insurer for a modeling-related accident.

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