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10-14-2011 05:13 PM  7 years agoPost 1
mrloudly

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You can't get 550 or 600 3GX kits over here at the mo... Fancy a 550 :-) Does the latest version have up-rated frames?

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10-14-2011 05:18 PM  7 years agoPost 2
Mike Fortin

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What do you mean by up-rated?

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10-14-2011 05:19 PM  7 years agoPost 3
helixangle

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I think he meant Up-Graded

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10-15-2011 02:11 AM  7 years agoPost 4
dkshema

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What "new" features are you expecting from the "uprated" side frames? Poking around the Align website seems to tell you that the V1 and V2 frames are identical, both being 1.6 mm 3K CF.

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10-15-2011 04:42 PM  7 years agoPost 5
mrloudly

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From talking to a few people the feeling was the Mk1 frames were a bit feeble, (don't shoot me I'm just the messenger...) The first batch of kits, maybe second, are pretty much sold out over here. Align IMHO are good at listening to their customers and it wouldn't surprise me, if there was a problem, they'll have upped the carbon to 2mm in the next batch. Not knocking Align, just don't want to buy "end of line" just before a improved version is released

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10-15-2011 05:40 PM  7 years agoPost 6
dkshema

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just don't want to buy "end of line" just before a improved version is released
That leaves you out in the cold when buying just about ANY consumer item on the market today. You own a PC (or you couldn't post here), a car, a phone, TV, DVD player...the list is endless. By the time all that stuff appeared on the showroom floor, it was already in the process of becoming obsolete and being replaced with something "better". That didn't stop you, did it?

The current information available on the Align website lists one set of side frame available as parts, 1.6 mm 3K CF, and the V2 kits also describe 1.6 mm 3K CF frames in the "focus shots".

On the larger scale, however, a single 1.6 mm side frame might appear quite flexible by itself. Once it's properly assembled into the final product, the whole assembly becomes quite rigid. Even those who then grab the heli and start twisting, flexing, or otherwise manhandling the heli are applying forces to the airframe that most likely will never be encountered in the air as the heli isn't being constrained the same way as it is when artificially manipulated on the ground.

Perhaps those who insist that another 0.4 mm of material transforms the heli into an altogether different machine are the same who claim they can feel a pea underneath 100 mattresses when they sleep. The internet can be a real sinister tool. Remember, you rarely ever see posts about the "good" stuff. Negative posts abound, and usually don't represent the majority opinion, but come from a vocal minority.

Waiting for something that really makes no difference in how the heli handles is only causing you to miss out on the fun.

This post probably sets me up for a series of flame responses. Flame on. But provide some empirical evidence along with the flames that truly support your position.

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10-15-2011 09:19 PM  7 years agoPost 7
helixangle

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Perhaps those who insist that another 0.4 mm of material transforms the heli into an altogether different machine are the same who claim they can feel a pea underneath 100 mattresses when they sleep
that's funny...good analogy

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10-16-2011 04:06 AM  7 years agoPost 8
jschenck

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I've seen a 'first run' 550 go in and shatter the frame sides. I think the newer part numbers are intended to offer more ability to take a hit. I too doubt anyone could feel a difference in the way they fly. I have read that some were double framing the original 550 kits to make them stronger. The preceding was internet rumor stuff since I don't own a 550 myself

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10-16-2011 04:53 AM  7 years agoPost 9
dkshema

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I've seen a 'first run' 550 go in and shatter the frame sides.
I've seen lots of helis over the years go in and tear up side frames. Never stopped me from buying them, however. I buy to fly, not to worry about what's going to happen if I stuff it into the ground. I know that answer already, things break. Plastic, metal, G-10, or Carbon Fiber. Nothing is indestructible. Helicopter crashes tend to end up dissipating a lot of energy in a very short amount of time. What breaks during a particular crash is really a crap shoot.

This summer, I really stuffed a Trex 500 into the local flying site turf. Wide open, just dumb thumbed it into the ground. The sun was going down, the light was not all that good, I was about 50 feet high and just plain lost orientation. It made one heck of a thud. To my surprise, I broke the rotor blades, bent a tail boom, and a flybar. Everything else was intact.

Last fall I had one of my spindle bolts on a Trex 600N let go at about 20 feet altitude. The crash was not all that spectacular, at first glance, the heli appeared to survive with nothing more than a damaged canopy. The heli wasn't all that high, it wasn't moving very fast at all. I broke both side frames in several places, a couple of servos lost their gears and mounting lugs, the battery mount nose-piece was toast, as well as a few other odds and ends.

You really can't judge how any heli will stand up after seeing only one crash. Each one is unique, what breaks is purely a result of the particular forces in play at the time.

I did own one heli for a short time that may have been indestructible. It was a JR Venture 30 CP. It's side frames were some of the most dense, heaviest plastic I've ever run across in a heli. I think you could have used the frame to pound nails, it was so tough and heavy. But then, it flew about like a hammer, too. Heaviest 30-sized heli on the market.

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