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10-13-2011 09:01 PM  7 years agoPost 61
esmoglo

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just goes to show that all clones are nothing but a bunch of chaos
LOL...

Ugly can be fixed stupid is forever!

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10-13-2011 09:02 PM  7 years agoPost 62
Richardmid1

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Mike,

Learning on a FP Honey Bee or similar teaches you better pitch/throttle control, tail control, torque induced yaw etc. This is how I learned and it has made me a much better pilot (as an example ive felt no need to do any mods to my MCPX , I could hover in all upright orientations, fast circuits in either direction and even stall turns in a matter of weeks (this was before I even knew about simulators!), it would be virtually impossible to get to the level I did in such little time for less money without a simulator. When setup correctly (they rarely are straight out of the box despite thier claims) they make a perfect learning tool. You can also run them on a 2s 1500 Li-po and they will fly for 20+ mins!

My next heli was a Walkera 52 if I remember which had a brushed motor and Ni-Mh packs! Once I got my head around how to adjust the pitch I could fly it no problem despite the gyro sense either not working or being reversed thanks to being able to fly a tail.

60% of the time, it works every time!

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10-13-2011 09:04 PM  7 years agoPost 63
Rogman88

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It get's me how when you read all the reviews on the clone websites that they get really good reviews. Read deeper and notice half the reviews are from people who hadn't actually flown it yet.

My experience is that the absolute worste thing one get get is poor electronics. A good gyro/tail servo combo is a must, especially for a noob. These things are hard enough to learn to fly without having to chase a tail all over the place.

High Voltage just works better

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10-13-2011 09:33 PM  7 years agoPost 64
Rob43

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This thread was intended to give some advice from one person's perspective to new prospective pilots. Then a couple of individuals come in and started defending their clone 700 and 600 sized helis. Not many first timers starting with this size from what I have seen.

For some reason, these debates seem to become more caustic "over here".

By the way, I won't knock any one heli. I will knock a whole bunch instead. Clones are not good for our hobby. And it's no different than buying $100 36" flat screen TV's at Wal Mart. You're mortgaging away the future of the hobby.

Rob

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10-13-2011 09:48 PM  7 years agoPost 65
MichiganFlyer

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Thank You Rob! and you are right. I was not ripping on one specific clone. And if one specific one flys well so be it.
I am more thinking of the guys looking to get into this hobbie as I was just back in March. I went the cheap route on a 450 and a month later purchased a quality used 450. It wasn't till I flew the quality heli that I could actually learn to fly. The cheap clone had so many flaws in it's flight that I wasn't learning I was fighting. My cheap heli now has mostly quality parts.
I just want newbies to know that the cheap price tag comes with less than desirable flight characteritics that inhibit the learning curve. But you'll get good at replacing parts.

Friends don't encourage friends to fly helis! It can cause part shortages.

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10-13-2011 09:54 PM  7 years agoPost 66
Rogman88

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I just want newbies to know that the cheap price tag comes with less than desirable flight characteritics that inhibit the learning curve. But you'll get good at replacing parts.
Which was my point about less tolerances, warped gears, wobbly bearings, less gain used to keep the tail from wagging, but then not holding when you need it too.

Some folks will flat out lie to prove their points...I block them, but then someone else quotes their goofy posts and I still have to see this inflammatory BS...

High Voltage just works better

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10-13-2011 11:06 PM  7 years agoPost 67
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MichiganFlyer,
Just so you know,I never said you were ripping on one brand.I owned a few clone's and wasn't happy.Had the HK 600GT which needed upgrade's right away before I could even fly it.Everytime I crashed,the grip's and head block would bend.That heli ended up being 90% Align.Then I started on a HK 500CMT TT.That heli was a total pita and I pretty much give it away free because I got it free,all I got was my money I put into it..The Chaos it's even close to having bad quality..It's not a MA but it doesn't have any quality issue's and it fly's awesome,sold my Align heli's for it and glad I did.Quality is on par and the kit's/part's are cheaper.Im not a sale's men or anything,I really like this brand of heli's.All I was saying im my post is not all clone's or close to clone heli's are like the rest..I get it and understand the whole crappy clone thing but this heli isn't anything like the crappy one's..Align is cloning thing's but fanboy's will stick up for them because there happy,well the same for me and im about to get to work ..

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10-13-2011 11:39 PM  7 years agoPost 68
MichiganFlyer

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Cool! Looks like we are in agreement.
Looks like you got some work to do! Congrats!
Might have to check out thes Chaos helis. My 9yr old is going to need a bigger heli by mid summer after his first hovers were great! Plus his income is pretty much nil!
So we will leave Chaos out of our clone talk, agreed?
Clones can and will come with bad parts. If you are not mechanically inclined or skilled with r/c's these clones are going to inhibit your ability to learn to fly a r/c heli.
The worst thing is fighting a poor heli.
The best thing is Flying a heli!

Friends don't encourage friends to fly helis! It can cause part shortages.

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10-13-2011 11:46 PM  7 years agoPost 69
CX1

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How come nobody clones Minature Aircraft or Hirobo or the expensive helis

" Team Protoast "

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10-13-2011 11:55 PM  7 years agoPost 70
MichiganFlyer

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Costs too much to clone them!

Friends don't encourage friends to fly helis! It can cause part shortages.

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10-14-2011 12:03 AM  7 years agoPost 71
helixangle

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as we speak...

https://rc.runryder.com/t667447p1/

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Remember life is hard...even harder for stupid people

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10-14-2011 12:04 AM  7 years agoPost 72
MichiganFlyer

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Forgive me BladeSrikes but I thought this was funny.

http://www.scaleflying.com/Chaos-60...dio_p_1747.html

Friends don't encourage friends to fly helis! It can cause part shortages.

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10-14-2011 12:14 AM  7 years agoPost 73
helixangle

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How come nobody clones Miniature Aircraft or Hirobo or the expensive helis
Miniature is finally producing something worth cloning IMO...

Hirobo translated to English means : foolish round eye buy over complex garbage

I came into the hobby in 2008 with a raptor, then hirobo, I guess you can tell that I didn't have a positive expirience with hirobo. Then I moved to align and, funny thing, they work, I started flying

I know these helis had a very solid reputation in 08 however, when I looked at them (MA, Hirobo) I saw a maintenance nightmare, more parts than necessary, and more time wrenching and adjusting.

Now clones want to produce cheap, means less parts, so Hirobo and MA don't make it past the bottom line on the balance sheet.

But, MA is finally producing something worth cloning, and it would not surprise me if we saw a Furion 6 knock off, I bet they would even call it a Furious 6

Be sure the juice is worth the sqweeze
Remember life is hard...even harder for stupid people

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10-14-2011 12:24 AM  7 years agoPost 74
helixangle

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OMG...

In the Chaos build video they show how to install and actually RECOMEND using the KDE upgrades

well I would be both embarrassed AND angry, kinda like I could fry the egg that's on my face WITH my own face

um...I like mine sunny side up, if, wel if, you know, your gonna serve them how we like them

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Remember life is hard...even harder for stupid people

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10-14-2011 02:10 AM  7 years agoPost 75
BladeStrikes

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What funny about it,the $500.00 dollar radio it come's with?Not bad really if you like Hitec radio's and wanna upgrade electronic's down the road or as you go if ya don't like them.If your learning basic flight/sport flying,that stuff will work perfect..I don't think it's funny and don't laugh at anyone for buying thing's that get them started in the hobby.If it wasn't for cheaper stuff,the hobby wouldn't be as big as it is..If you didn't get that Whiplash for free,you'll still be flying 450 size heli's.Guess im saying,people should be happy for what they have and can afford.

helixangle,
Nothing wrong with showing people you can install bling part's if you want..Your getting really good at keyboard pounding and bashing stuff by looking at your past post,say's alot about you.

It's all good and good luck with this thread.

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10-14-2011 02:22 AM  7 years agoPost 76
MichiganFlyer

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If I hadn't found people in this hobbie and bought a used align 450 I would have given up. My clone had me a nervous wreck. There was nothing worse than trying to hover that compared to hovering on a sim.

I was just joking because of the price tag. Sometimes a little humor is good for the sole.

Friends don't encourage friends to fly helis! It can cause part shortages.

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10-14-2011 05:07 AM  7 years agoPost 77
rchelichop

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I have around $800.00 in mine so you are wrong..
Got this off one of your recent post
1100mAh LiFe pack,no reg
Spectrum AR7100 RX
JR 8717's cyclic
Align GP780/Align DS620
CC ICE 80HV
Scorpion 4035-530KV
yea, $800.

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10-14-2011 05:27 AM  7 years agoPost 78
BladeStrikes

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OMG,sorry I upgraded servo's,motor ect... .Didn't know we couldn't do that .You added nothing to this thread other than gum flapping and talking about someone being a better pilot than me,im not even that good of a pilot and never said I was.All your post are attack's to me which don't bother me at all.Sorry you can stand the fact that I enjoy the hobby...

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10-14-2011 06:50 AM  7 years agoPost 79
BobOD

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One of the issues I've seen is that it's hard to buy a "bare bones" Align product. A lot of people want to upgrade their helis from stock so getting something inexpensive to start with is a lot less wasteful. For those who are likely to be upgrading, the clones offer an efficient way to go.
I don't care for blatant copying and agree that Align does more to support an industry here than many of the clone producers. And that's an expense that many do not seem to appreciate at all. People in this country are probably making more than them. All relative though.
But, I care less for waste...just from a purest point of view.

Anyway, since this is a thread about what is best for a beginner who wants to learn to fly, I have to say go with Align. Bone stock. Don't go for bling and get fully equipped. Support and knowledge base will be most plentyful.

Team POP Secret

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10-14-2011 07:36 AM  7 years agoPost 80
rchelichop

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gum flapping certainly is your thing. Have fun there pal. Won't be seeing anymore of you around here.

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