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10-13-2011 06:55 AM  7 years agoPost 21
chopper63

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If the quality of Chaos is better than Align, then why not develop your own line of helicopters instead copying each model of Align, except for the 100 and 250.

Could it be that Chaos is a "cheaper" division of Align?

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10-13-2011 06:57 AM  7 years agoPost 22
RappyTappy

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don't slam the clones or we'll get another video

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10-13-2011 07:19 AM  7 years agoPost 23
wtupman

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All of you people that are raving about hew well your clones fly are missing the point.

you spend months of your time to develop a product. trial and error over many months and finally you have a product to bring to market.

now along comes your nab-or and says that's cool, can i have one. he takes one and reverse energizer it makes one with inferior metals and sells it for half tee price. now how do you feel.

stop supporting these ripoff company's and support
the people doing all the work.

rule #1 read the instructions. if the instructions say that it compatible with brand x, buy brand x

DONT TRASH WHAT THE OTHER GUY IS FLYING OR FLYING WITH. AT LEAST HE IS FLYING!!!

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10-13-2011 01:04 PM  7 years agoPost 24
OldNewbie

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+1 wtupman

I work in an industry where our products are the best on the market and then are copied exactly by some chinese or indian company. But at least they don't try to pass them off as "better" than ours, the company that spent the tens of thousands of dollars developing the product, their happy to try to say it as good as ours. Which it is not.

Most people who are not in the manufacturing industry do not understand this or care about this. Also, just because something comes from the same warehouse does not mean it was made in the same factory or to more likely to the same standards as the real product. There are hundreds of companies that make different levels of quality products. For example Bosch makes both their brand of tools as well as, the Skil brand. Not even in the same ball park from a quality standpoint.

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10-13-2011 01:10 PM  7 years agoPost 25
Stephen Born

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Imitation is the best flattery.

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10-13-2011 01:19 PM  7 years agoPost 26
Mike Fortin

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To be honest, the parts from align and chaos come from the exact warehouse and same factory.
So if it's the exact same thing as you say, how on earth would it fly any different than the real version let alone better?

More than likely the parts that don't get stamped "Align" are 2nd quality parts. Those get thrown into bins and then ultimately make their way into a CLONE model.

Have Rotors, Will Fly!

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10-13-2011 01:26 PM  7 years agoPost 27
Frank Bostwick

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One factory making many different "brands" is extremely common. Just because 2 parts look similar does not mean they are equal. The purchaser can and does specify many details from materials to quality standards. Whats a reject and whats not a reject. Looks are only skin deep. Application of some common sense goes a long way IMO. Personally Im not gonna risk expensive electronic components, my safety, or my time with knock offs............Just not worth the money savings.

RIP ROMAN

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10-13-2011 01:42 PM  7 years agoPost 28
Ronald Thomas

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I have to agree with Mike on this one. The clone thing has gotten out of hand. Now the clone companies even have reps that FIERCELY defend their helis because they change one or two small details and call it their own
I hope we as a hobby wake up and at least demand some sort of real engineering and design in a "new" heli..........Ron

Team MikadoUSA 480XXTreme, 550SX, 600SX, 700XXTreme, 800XXTreme!!

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10-13-2011 02:18 PM  7 years agoPost 29
MicroVan

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Great advice for beginners!

I was one of those guys who bought the cheap clones and try to learn how to fly them. Wasted so much stupid money until I found RunRyder! And all you helimans have provided me the best informations and responses to my questions oh and some great deals for some awesome gears!

I love this hobby!

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10-13-2011 02:48 PM  7 years agoPost 30
Wave

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Lon, How 'bout another video to convince us of the fine quality of that 2024 aluminum Chaos.

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10-13-2011 03:52 PM  7 years agoPost 31
Stephen Born

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I bring my Align helis to the field I fly at. 90 % of them fly HK or EXI clones. They all say I am getting ripped off because I have so much money invested in my T-Rex 700e. They say that I could have bought a HK600GT for under 500.00. I personally have looked at both my Align helis and their clones. Sure, they look the same. However, when you look at the linkages, the rotor head, tail casings, and gears....they are not the same. You can tell they are cheaply made. I have personally flown the clones at the field. They are NOT the same. Even the clones CF is flimsy and brittle.

They go as far as telling me to buy the HK receiver to fly my 700e. Maybe its just me, but I am not going to trust my big bird with a cheap, clone receiver from HK that is 20.00.

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10-13-2011 04:06 PM  7 years agoPost 32
Richardmid1

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I disagree with everything the OP said.

You are going to crash alot when you start out no matter how much you spent and crashing an expensive heli will put a new guy off helis for life when he sees the repair bill!

Learn on a heli like the Esky Honey Bee or any of the fixed pitch outdoor helis and go from there, if you give up on one of those you haven't lost alot of money and they are almost indestructable if you crash it. Once you have mastered one of these which won't take long you can fly anything.
Do yourself a favor if you are interested in the R/C heli hobby, do alot of research or a little and buy top of the line, but buy a heli that is made to fly and put electronics on it that are going to respond to your stick movements.
There are alot of cheap helis out there that will make you feel like a fool.
The quality ones will give you the ability to learn.
The advise you are giving is going to put alot of new people off, IT DOESN'T HAVE TO BE EXPENSIVE!

If a cheap heli isn't responding to your inputs thats down to incorrect setup!

60% of the time, it works every time!

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10-13-2011 04:33 PM  7 years agoPost 33
Mike Fortin

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Learn on a heli like the Esky Honey Bee or any of the fixed pitch outdoor helis and go from there. Once you have mastered one of these which won't take long you can fly anything.
Ohh my, you can't be serious? That's some pretty not good advice and the majority of people that I've seen start with those have to totally relearn how to fly when they do move on to a "real" model.

Have Rotors, Will Fly!

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10-13-2011 04:40 PM  7 years agoPost 34
jgunpilot

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Pollock, LA

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Another bit of advice for beginners is to not buy the latest, greatest thing on the market, then bling it out. If you intend to fly a lot to learn, you'll crash a lot. Stick with plastic parts and moderate power engines/motors and only buy up when you're learned all your orientations and stopped dumb thumbing it in all the time.

Don't buy too cheap as well, which can be costly in the long run. don't be afraid to buy someone's used castoff heli if you can get parts for it, either.

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10-13-2011 04:57 PM  7 years agoPost 35
rchelichop

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I just looked at the pricing of the chaos 700E, you will pay more for it end the end than the align 700E!

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10-13-2011 05:00 PM  7 years agoPost 36
BladeStrikes

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rchelichop
I just looked at the pricing of the chaos 700E, you will pay more for it end the end than the align 700E!
I have around $800.00 in mine so you are wrong..

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10-13-2011 05:20 PM  7 years agoPost 37
Mike Fortin

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What motor, ESC, Servos, Gyro or FBL system come with the helicopter Chaos 700E?

Their "Super Combo" is $699 and that's without an FBL system.

If you just got a 3GX to add to it, your at $930 dollars. Your not getting a Castle 120HV v2 so if you upgrade to any ESC for that matter your at least another $200 for something reputable (with warranty) so now your at $1130.

As for the servos, not sure what they are or their specs so I won't make comment.

So for the $100 or so dollars your going to save in getting a clone is it really worth it?

Even if you bought their basic kit and added Align equipment it would come out to almost the same as just buying the real deal.

So please, show me where you savings is?

Have Rotors, Will Fly!

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10-13-2011 05:25 PM  7 years agoPost 38
Frank Bostwick

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Its been my experience, and I have wasted a lot of money on various hobbies, that this is a hobby where going cheap will cost you dearly in the long run, Every Time

RIP ROMAN

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10-13-2011 05:34 PM  7 years agoPost 39
Ronald Thomas

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I just looked at the pricing of the chaos 700E, you will pay more for it end the end than the align 700E!
Yeah almost no savings at all. The only attraction is you can buy just the kit and add your own stuff giving the "illusion" it was cheaper

Team MikadoUSA 480XXTreme, 550SX, 600SX, 700XXTreme, 800XXTreme!!

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10-13-2011 05:54 PM  7 years agoPost 40
Mike Fortin

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The fact is, if Align sold a kit only 700E it would probably be the same price or pretty darn close.

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