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10-13-2011 12:48 AM  7 years agoPost 1
MichiganFlyer

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There is a such thing. A clone, cheap electronics and a cheap transmitter. But that is actually the expensive route. With less reactive electronics you are going to have more crashes due to responce time of your stick input to what the heli does.
And crashes mean cost. And on a cheap heli they add up as the components wher cheaply built in the first place and are destine to break every time you have a crash.
I advise you not to go this route. There are guys a year into this hobby that hardly hover because of cheap stuff.
Do yourself a favor, visit an airplane field and mention you are interested in helis. There is usually a airplane flyer that tried heli flying and is trying to sell a quality heli at a great price. Don't pass it up. If I see this airplane guy again I will shell out the $200 for his Trex Sport for my son.
Although Align is the bottom line quality helli it is a quality helli.
The clones seem to have imperfect flight abilities and cheap electronics add to it.
Do yourself a favor if you are interested in the R/C heli hobby, do alot of research or a little and buy top of the line, but buy a heli that is made to fly and put electronics on it that are going to respond to your stick movements.
There are alot of cheap helis out there that will make you feel like a fool.
The quality ones will give you the ability to learn.

Friends don't encourage friends to fly helis! It can cause part shortages.

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10-13-2011 01:25 AM  7 years agoPost 2
Stephen Born

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Agreed MichiganFlyer. I do not know how many times I have heard this statement, but it rings true. "In this hobby, you get for what you pay for."
Although Align is the bottom line quality helli it is a quality helli.
And what does that mean exactly?!

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10-13-2011 01:39 AM  7 years agoPost 3
whiskey

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I think he means
That Align is where the bar for serviceable decent flying kits start at. Anything cheaper and you end up spending more money than it's worth to get the thing to fly.

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10-13-2011 01:47 AM  7 years agoPost 4
BladeStrikes

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I love my Chaos 700E..Have a 450 and 600E Chaos on the way which will be here tomorrow ..

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10-13-2011 02:08 AM  7 years agoPost 5
MichiganFlyer

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Actually I consider Align as the heli a begginner can learn on, a intermediate can fly and afford and a pro can rock the snot out of.
Any heli that provides quality parts that provides a beginner with a stable start is worth the $$$ for a bigginner is worth the cash to try and learn flying a heli.
I tried to hover my clone a few times and it cost me, then I tried a better heli and it was a HUGE difference.
Quality does make a difference in the learning curve.

Friends don't encourage friends to fly helis! It can cause part shortages.

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10-13-2011 02:13 AM  7 years agoPost 6
Stephen Born

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Yeah, Align helis suit me well. I wish I could afford a Logo 600, but just too expensive. I have a T-Rex 700e and a T-Rex 600 ESP. They do the trick, I just don't know how to make them do the tricks.

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10-13-2011 02:34 AM  7 years agoPost 7
MichiganFlyer

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oops I meant to post this in the beginner forum.

Friends don't encourage friends to fly helis! It can cause part shortages.

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10-13-2011 02:56 AM  7 years agoPost 8
BladeStrikes

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BTW,
MichiganFlyer,you should learn about different clone's before making thread's like this.Few guy's in your area seen my 700E and can tell you how wrong you are so please comment on what your useing and not what you haven't used.It's not good passing bad info out about thing's you haven't used.I'll be coming out your way maybe this weekend to fly with Aaron and i'll have my Chaos 700E,Chaos 600E and Chaos 450.Your more than welcome to come check them out your self and if you do,you'll see how awesome the quality is..Not all of them are crappy,just saying....Here's my Chaos 700E.

Watch at YouTube

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10-13-2011 03:16 AM  7 years agoPost 9
Mike Fortin

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Not all of them are crappy
By nature a clone is crappy, although quality may look the same or just less than... the effect it has on the industry is not good.

Clones stink, stay away from them.

They kill our industry and for the people in our hobby that make their living selling genuine products it sucks to see some clone getting back-doored into the market.

While it may drive pricing down for the consumer, it means dealers will make even less money then they are making now and that ain't saying much as it is.

For those that keep buying clones, next time you need a genuine part to repair your clone...just remember that hobby shop may not be there the next time to sell you the "real" part that you need.

What's the point of trying to be innovative if your just going to be ripped off.

Have Rotors, Will Fly!

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10-13-2011 04:02 AM  7 years agoPost 10
BladeStrikes

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Mike,comment on what you fly and have flown.That's one reason heli's get bad name's,people that never flown them seem fit to give advice on something they know nothing about.Just so you know,there made with the exact same Aluminum as Align and it's built alot better.I guess your flying stink heli's also being as you fly Align ..I sold my Trex 700N and Trex 600N for the Chaos.Glad I did because it's built better and doesn't fall apart .Doesn't need any upgrade's either.Have some experience with what your talking about before making comment's .Do a search,nothing but awesome comment's about Chaos heli's.

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10-13-2011 04:04 AM  7 years agoPost 11
ncostes

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For a beginner I would never recommend an align kit.

I've introduced several friends as well as my kids to the hobby. It goes like this...

Here try flying this CX2 on my phoenix. See how it goes? Pretty easy! Ok lets try this real MCX2. Whoa lots of crashes. No problem, we laugh, we set it upright, you go again.

Ok now you've got the hang of that, lets try the MSR on the sim, something you actually have to fly a little. Lots of crashes, but we laugh about them because there's no damage. Ok now you're able to hover it on the sim, here's an MSR for real, lets fly that. Crash a bunch, laugh, set it back up, ok now you've got it!

Ok head on over to hobby hangar, ask for Dave, he'll set you up with an RTF MSR for like $119. Let's talk when you're able to fly in all orientations with the MSR.

Couple months later, they're good on the MSR, they want something faster but still durable, and the ability to do some basic aerobatics, MCPX my friend. Let's get you set up with a real radio and a BNF MCPX, so when you crash you can still laugh it off and rotate and press that main gear back on and take off again.

Once someone is there they can make the call about what larger sized heli they want, because from then on crash = go fix. I have align, century (nitro), eflits, and clones. I have no problem with any of them for sport flying.

So all this align vs clone stuff is really a red herring.

I learned on a Hirobo Shuttle Z, there were no sims back then.

Here's how it went for me. Bought kit and everything needed, about $800, built it, read about how to fly, spooled it up, gyro was in backwards, boomstrike, $100 bucks and down time.

It was horrible. Constant crashing expensive parts, repairs, lots of down time, very nerve wracking and frustrating. The hobby has come a long way It's very easy to get someone going these days. You can get started with a RTF Blade coax for $50 now, a FP single rotor for about $119 RTF, and a CP RTF for $200. Clones are cheaper and if set up by someone who knows what they're doing, they're fine for learning to hover and sport fly.

The MCPX has been such a blessing for me, I can actually laugh when I crash instead of getting that "punched in the gut" feeling because I know 99% of the time I just press and go.In over 70 flights and maybe 20+ crashes all I've replaced are ball links (before I tied them on, so I'm still on my first bag of them) and one tail boom. Consequently I'm willing to try new things much faster, and it's way more fun than the sim. Haven't flown the clone or align 250/450 or Nitro in forever. The 4g6 helis just sit too.

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10-13-2011 04:15 AM  7 years agoPost 12
honda411

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Mike,comment on what you fly and have flown.That's one reason heli's get bad name's,people that never flown them seem fit to give advice on something they know nothing about.Just so you know,there made with the exact same Aluminum as Align and it's built alot better.I guess your flying stink heli's also being as you fly Align ..I sold my Trex 700N and Trex 600N for the Chaos.Glad I did because it's built better and doesn't fall apart .Doesn't need any upgrade's either.Have some experience with what your talking about before making comment's .Do a search,nothing but awesome comment's about Chaos heli's.
I will second that bladestrikes! My Choas 700E flies absolutly friggen awesome! NO slop anywhere in the heli!
And the fact the frames are about 33% thicker than Align, and have a harder resin in the carbon fiber. The tail has 3 TT bearings, where as Align has 2. The tail pitch arms are aluminum, and so is the tail bell crank. Align is not.

I can say for a fact, I have flown the Chaos 700E and Align, and the Chaos tops out on top! And its not a Clone. And its not a clone when it flies better than a high named brand!

HeliDirect Field Rep, Synergy N7 w/ OS 105, Torq Servos, Cyclone/ Rail blades

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10-13-2011 04:25 AM  7 years agoPost 13
BladeStrikes

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honda411,
Yup,this heli is ALOT better than the Trex and I had all the Trex heli's other than the 550/new 600Pro .Selling all my Align heli's for the Chaos was the best move I made and wouldn't buy another Align heli.Over 150 flight with my Chaos 700E,3 hard as hell crashe's,no bent metal and one crash was slamming into a light pole which quite a few here seen in person..Hit the pole sooooo hard,it knocked one of the light's out .People need to have experience with this heli like we do before commenting..

If anyone here see's someone with a Chaos heli,ask them to fly it and im 100% sure you'll buy one ..

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10-13-2011 04:34 AM  7 years agoPost 14
Mike Fortin

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Yep, you guys are right. Keep supporting the cheap clones.

Have Rotors, Will Fly!

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10-13-2011 04:41 AM  7 years agoPost 15
3D-ALEX

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Regarding the chaos helis (and dont tear me to shreds for this, but it is fact), they are designed the EXACT same way that the aligns are. There might be a few small differences in materials or small components, but they are pretty much the same. What frustrates me is that they totally ripped off the design for their own profit, no inguity whatsoever (and i dont even like align).

Just me 2 cents

Alex Morley
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10-13-2011 05:11 AM  7 years agoPost 16
CX1

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don't slam the clones or we'll get another video

" Team Protoast "

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10-13-2011 05:17 AM  7 years agoPost 17
honda411

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your correct 3d alex.

But maybe the align company will bring down there price. To be honest, the parts from align and chaos come from the exact warehouse and same factory. The only thing is, you are paying for the Align name to be stamped on the sides of everything.

This thread could go on forever. But like Bladestrikes said before, unless you have flown a Chaos, you never know what your missing out on. I never liked "cloned" helis. I had a JS Frenzy 50, which people called a clone of the Vibe 50. Never bought another. But i can certainly 100% guarantee you that if the Chaos flies better and is better than Align in my opinion at a fraction of the cost, my money goes straight for Chaos.

Also the Chaos has the option of either wire rod or carbon fiber rod for the tail. Not 100% sure if Align doesnt come like that, but just a thought. No arguing or anything here from me, just my opinion. Everyones opinion is respected in my books.

HeliDirect Field Rep, Synergy N7 w/ OS 105, Torq Servos, Cyclone/ Rail blades

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10-13-2011 06:31 AM  7 years agoPost 18
helixangle

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well in my opinion, I have never seen two people try to oversell something in my life.

you say it flies better
Yup,this heli is ALOT better than the Trex and I had all the Trex heli's
then you say the parts are coming from the same wharhouse,
To be honest, the parts from align and chaos come from the exact warehouse and same factory
well if they are coming from the same MFG then they are the same parts,
I can say for a fact, I have flown the Chaos 700E and Align, and the Chaos tops out on top!
what exactly makes it fly better?
And its not a Clone. And its not a clone when it flies better than a high named brand
and it's not a clone, it's not it's not it's not...mom!

Clone (noun)
3. Near copy of hardware or software - computer a hardware device, e.g. a PC, or a piece of software, that is a functional copy of another, more expensive product developed by another manufacturer

Clone (verb)
2. Make a copy of something - transitive verb to produce an exact or near copy of an object or product

nothing against the two of you both but I think Mike has flown more MFG, had real flight time with, and actually flown real 3d on more birds that the two of you put together.
Mike,comment on what you fly and have flown
I thought he was?
That's one reason heli's get bad name's,people that seem fit to give advice on something they know nothing about
well at least you got something right.

you guys should have your heads examined. You just bullied your way into a nice thread, took over, and basically berated everyone in here. WTF??

Be sure the juice is worth the sqweeze
Remember life is hard...even harder for stupid people

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10-13-2011 06:37 AM  7 years agoPost 19
skiidogg

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Cheap entry into R/C heli flying!
OK. Here's my question. Honda411 said that Align and Chaos get their parts from the same factory. If thats true then how is chaos any better than align, and believe me I'm am no align fan and dont know anything about chaos. I am a newbee. And I thought forums were for learning to fly a specific craft through advice from the veterans who know. Most of these forums turn out to be bash parties. Where can someone who really wants to learn go for info without having to weed through the muck of differences and hatered for a particular manufacturer. Can't we all fly what we like and offer adivce based on our own expiriences without being bias or rude or prejudice?? When does the teaching start and the treachery STOP??? Now, go ahead and bash ME!!!

"FlyteTyme"

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10-13-2011 06:43 AM  7 years agoPost 20
strokermtr

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The cheapest way to get into flying is to win one of the best Helis prior to it being released. But who has that kind of luck. not me for sure.... I'm just saying... lol.... Congrats! jealous.com

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