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10-12-2011 01:58 AM  7 years agoPost 21
heliaddict2424

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As it has been noted, Georges says a Jive 120 can't handle it. If you can prove him wrong more power to you.
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10-12-2011 05:02 AM  7 years agoPost 22
Stolla

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No problem for the jive read this from the creators of this motor http://www.powercroco.de/12N10P4535.html and the one in question is a lot wilder (1.9mm wire). Thing is the jive can handle extreme amps if the motor is wind in the yy configuration as with this motor.
Beware though this motor is not the tdr motor you've all been waiting for if u wanna cruise around at low speeds wasting mah go ahead but you wont be able to use this motor to its potential in the tdr except for top speed runs, or very smooth flying. Hardcore 3d youll have to be prepared to spend some bucks on maintenance.

Common sense may not be common after all

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10-12-2011 05:08 AM  7 years agoPost 23
Futura SE

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Just what part of hard 3D do you think the TDR is incapable of? The TDR doesn't weigh a ton to help load the motor some if that is what you mean. Not everyone flies a TDR at 1400 RPM.

I run mine at 1900 at least and 3D it. Several guys do. It is not a piece of eye candy only. It can take any thing any other heli can.

Before I owned one I might have agreed with you, but NOT now.

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10-12-2011 05:26 AM  7 years agoPost 24
helicraze

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Yeh i heard it a few times, i think perhaps some are scared to crank it up maybe.

But that said i would not call myself hard 3D pilot. I do fly hard but in a different way

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10-12-2011 06:44 AM  7 years agoPost 25
Heliguychris

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your climbouts hc will be a good test for the 4535 be intersted to see how your go.
could you elaborate on your thinking there Stolla?

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10-12-2011 09:18 AM  7 years agoPost 26
worldofmaya

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Just what part of hard 3D do you think the TDR is incapable of?
It does everything especially with an recommended configuration. You'll have to invest in maintenance no matter if it's bearings, gears...
But with a power setup no matter if it's the 4525LE or bigger, don't think about it unless you use some frame stiffening, vertical stiffener and even than your expensive Scorpion will have some ugly scratches.

By the way because powercroco was mentioned read his advice about not to use a 4535 in a TDR:
Google translate -> http://translate.google.at/translat...ostcount%3D4915
Source: http://www.rc-heli.de/board/showpos...&postcount=4915
And some more on his page, at the lower end -> http://www.powercroco.de/12N10P4540.html
Google translate -> http://translate.google.at/translat...12N10P4540.html
I had a 4535 powercroco in my TDR and learned my lessons, the 4535 is still in my fleet... TDR is gone.
-Klaus

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10-12-2011 09:43 AM  7 years agoPost 27
helicraze

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Hmmm interesting he says the diabolo is stiffer? I might put it in that!

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10-12-2011 10:23 AM  7 years agoPost 28
Heliguychris

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suck it up tdr guys lmao from the motor master himself, your heli is too p!ss weak lol

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10-12-2011 11:02 AM  7 years agoPost 29
Darren Lee

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You might be alright though, no battery exists in the Rc hobby that can put out 300A for more than a split second so... Can't pull it if you can't get it.
In theory, Thunder Power 65C 5000s should deliver 325A continuous, right?

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10-12-2011 12:32 PM  7 years agoPost 30
Zaaaguy72

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Yes, right before it goes supernova it will release mass amounts of energy!

Team Sanjel!

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10-12-2011 12:52 PM  7 years agoPost 31
Eco8gator

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Holy Crap!

Thats pretty much insanity...what is that made for...Logo 800? You have to really really really really really try or at least enter a tree stump pulling competition to use that much power.

It would make more sense in most cases to just use a smaller motor and fly bigger batteries and a bigger ESC.

There has only been one incident where I saw a high speed pass that required around 200A continuous for the pass. It didn't take many of those to wear down 5AH 65C TP packs and eventually thermal a power jazz

But for those that must have the biggest big block...this is pretty sweet

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10-12-2011 01:28 PM  7 years agoPost 32
Heliguychris

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hey tdr guys, whats the chances of doubling up the upper frames for better bracing against monster motors?

way i see it, its just a case of some spaces for the bottom frame set ya ?

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10-12-2011 02:38 PM  7 years agoPost 33
worldofmaya

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If you don't believe his statement, than ask Jan Henseleit himself... there's a video from a German meeting where he advices to use the recommended setup because the TDR was build for 3KW, not 6 - 8 KW cont.
I used one of the bearing holders as a vertical stiffener between servos and main shaft, a second 2mm stiffener plate connecting battery tray, motor, first stage and an additional horizontal distance stud above the motor and solved my scratching problem with my 4525. I got a 4535 and all the troubles began again + terrible marks on second stage gear. Not to mention bad main bearings every few flights.
The only real difference I see when looking at the Diabolo is the vertical cross connection. Gears? no one knows, there was a shaved gear in a show flight... it's a different material which reminds me to the Shape. Worked quit well in my TDRex, at least for 2 1/2min... ended shaved after that time
Btw. there's (or will) be a "stronger" main gear (should be better at higher heat).
-Klaus

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10-12-2011 02:52 PM  7 years agoPost 34
RCSavager

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Just curious for all you power junkies..

Do you NEED 13K/watts or are you just going to leave it parked in the driveway doing burnouts? All this talk we better see liquified gearing and splintered carbon. You guys are nuts...and I want to watch!

Once you try steak, is hard to go back to hotdogs.

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10-12-2011 03:28 PM  7 years agoPost 35
heliaddict2424

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Well I just pre ordered the Goblin what are the thoughts of this motor in a Goblin? The motor has already shipped got to put it in something LOL.

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10-12-2011 03:29 PM  7 years agoPost 36
RCSavager

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Beg or borrow a camera, this we have to see! LOL

Once you try steak, is hard to go back to hotdogs.

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10-12-2011 03:55 PM  7 years agoPost 37
Stolla

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"Just what part of hard 3D do you think the TDR is incapable of? The TDR doesn't weigh a ton to help load the motor some if that is what you mean. Not everyone flies a TDR at 1400 RPM.

I run mine at 1900 at least and 3D it. Several guys do. It is not a piece of eye candy only. It can take any thing any other heli can.

Before I owned one I might have agreed with you, but NOT now."

Futura youre missing the point i meant hard 3d with this motor Klaus pretty much said it all.

Common sense may not be common after all

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10-12-2011 03:58 PM  7 years agoPost 38
Eco8gator

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Just so you guys know...Timo flys a special TDR...has a double thick helical setup in it If your a power Junkie you might want to beg Jan to make those

You may need to go to 5mm bolts or bigger on the blades and some extra strong blades.

The MFG's probably need to start making ultra high current ESC's. IF Castle gets their stuff togethr they can double up power boards on the 160HV:d Make it a 320A ESC

What ever you do make sure you use the right bullet connectors...high grade stuff or you may have some issues.

Post VIDS!

C

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10-12-2011 04:08 PM  7 years agoPost 39
SkyfoxSXer

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Not sure if you guys have seen this. Doesn't look that impressive.

Watch at YouTube

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10-12-2011 04:19 PM  7 years agoPost 40
Zaaaguy72

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Can you really use that much power? My Pyro has more power than I need and it is close to a 3rd of that!! I am excited for the technology that gives me longer, more efficient flight times with the power I currently have.

Team Sanjel!

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