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10-10-2011 04:08 PM  7 years agoPost 21
Yeehaanow

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Having been to them and actually living in the system are two very different things. Tourism doesn't really count. Not to mention the fact that some socialist countries work better than others.

And you can't tell me that the US is not on the verge of economic collapse just the same as all the rest. Everything is running on pretend money right now! It's a big game and the elite players have setup a win-win situation for themselves.
Just remember what the initial cause of all of this was.... the US housing bubble in 2008, with junk packaged up as safe investments and sold to all those countries who then lost billions. It's a big house of cards and we are at the center.

-Tim

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10-10-2011 04:11 PM  7 years agoPost 22
Yeehaanow

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BTW-
JESUS was a socialist.

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10-10-2011 04:16 PM  7 years agoPost 23
spaceman spiff

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Jesus fed thousands with a fish and loaf of bread.

Our socialist govt created 3.6 million jobs, at a cost of nearly 200K per job.

The ideology is nice, but it takes miracles to work.

The poser we have now can only feck it all up.

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10-10-2011 05:16 PM  7 years agoPost 24
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Mark Chapter 10:21-25
Jesus looked at him and loved him. "One thing you lack," he said. "Go, sell everything you have and give to the poor, and you will have treasure in heaven. Then come, follow me.” At this the man's face fell. He went away sad, because he had great wealth. Jesus looked around and said to his disciples, "How hard it is for the rich to enter the kingdom of God!” The disciples were amazed at his words. But Jesus said again, "Children, how hard it is to enter the kingdom of God! It is easier for a camel to go through the eye of a needle than for a rich man to enter the kingdom of God."
So if you are a follower of Jesus and you are also a 'rich' capitalist, then I guess that makes you a hypocrite. Unless you get to choose which parts of the word of god to listen to, and which to ignore.

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10-10-2011 06:06 PM  7 years agoPost 25
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I like the parts where there aren't a bunch of freeloaders hovering about.. If a brother won't work neither let him eat...

Especially like that parable of the three servants entrusted with the masters money, two invested it and got growth, one burried it in the ground and gave it back with no gain when the master returned, made the master mad.

I am not an advocate of exrteem greed, or selfishness, but at the end of the day the numbers do have to at least ballance. For several decades they have not, it is a growing problem that will collapse in on us. It is obvious, and we all agree on it, but funny how the sense of urgency flips from left to right and back again....

The shoe is on the other foot this time, and it has never smelled worse.

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10-10-2011 06:14 PM  7 years agoPost 26
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BTW, I have seen what socialist countries have to offer. I have been to Greece, Italy, Portugal, Spain and Ireland. Those are all socialist countries and they are all on the verge of economic collapse because of it.
Germany is just as much a socialist country as any of the countries you've mentioned, yet they are doing rather well. As far as Ireland is concerned, if you look back just a few years you will see that they were regarded as being a relatively prosperous country. It's not their government that got into trouble, it was their banks.

When the Euro currency was first introduced, the late Sir James Goldsmith identified it as a vehicle to transfer wealth from the poorer countries in Europe to the richer countries, and that is what we are seeing happening now in the case of Greece.

The countries in the Euro agree to give up some control over their own economies (and spending), to the European government. The European central banks then give the poorer countries easy access to their pretend money, the interest on which Greece is now unable to repay, and the banks insist that Greece is not bankrupt because it has (/had) some $300 billion worth of assets that they can sell, to make the payments on their loans. So they are forced to sell their assets (i.e. the real wealth) which German corporations, being the only corporations in Europe with cash to spare, are buying up at fire sale prices.

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB100...2348921238.html

Greece was a poor country before the Euro currency came into being, and that is the way they should have stayed. It certainly looks like they will be going back to being a poor country, the difference is that now that German corporations own much of it, and Greek taxpayers are effectively in debt to the banks, through their government. But it's not just Greek taxpayers who are affected...

Guess Who's Paying For The Greece Bailout? That's Right -- YOU

On the greater scheme of things, we are all in the same boat as all our countries are in debt, so we are slaves to the lenders, through the taxes we have to pay, to pay the interest on government debt. But who are the lenders? Some may think that China would be an example, but then why do they also have a significant national debt?

The problem as I see it, is the central banking system that almost every country in the world has. I understand the few who are not tied into the same system are countries such as Iran and North Korea - i.e. countries which come under ''the axis of evil,'' which we ensure are not able to prosper due to sanctions against them.

The concept of letting banks create money, to then lend to our governments, on which we all have to pay tax to pay the interest on, doesn't make any sense that I can see - when our governments could just print the money themselves. Either way our currencies are devalued because more money enters the system, but one way involves us being in debt and having to pay interest, and the other way doesn't.

Our media blabs on about national debt becoming unsustainable, when we really should be asking why we have national debts in the first place.

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10-10-2011 06:17 PM  7 years agoPost 27
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Especially like that parable of the three servants entrusted with the masters money, two invested it and got growth, one burried it in the ground and gave it back with no gain when the master returned, made the master mad.
Yes, but that master was ''austere'' and ''did reap what he did not sow'' - according to the text in the Bible.

Jesus in the Bible was not austere, nor did he reap what he did not sow, So that particular parable could not have been an example that Christians are supposed to follow.

Usury (lending money with interest) was illegal amongst Christians in many Christian countries, such as England, a long time ago. Apparently that was the cause of much antisemitism, as Jews were ''used'' by the King to lend money to the Christian majority, the former subsequently ending up with much of the wealth as a result.

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10-10-2011 06:22 PM  7 years agoPost 28
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It is a parable for another purpose, but an ilustrative one based on a simple and obvious truth.

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10-10-2011 06:35 PM  7 years agoPost 29
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Any social system can be made to work if the govt and population culture match up well. Even communism. The trouble is if you have a bunch of freeloaders, a bunch of crooks, a foolish govt, too many lawyers pandering to greedy entitelists, no respect for budget or financial responsibility... no system can survive it.

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10-11-2011 03:16 AM  7 years agoPost 30
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Yeehaa your understanding of the bible is only rivaled by Dustys. I also believe you need study more of why and who allowed our banks to destroy our economy. might it be that most on your list speak to the truth you refuse to believe. Just a thought

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10-11-2011 03:37 AM  7 years agoPost 31
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I don't pretend to understand the bible, because it is nonsense, written long ago by men who wished to control people, and it's still used the same way today.
I'm merely throwing the same tool back in your face.
How many ways can you possibly interpret the passage I quoted above? It seems pretty clear to me.
Why don't you enlighten us on the finer points of who and how the banks got away with outright fraud while destroying the economy, and why hasn't anyone been prosecuted? Let's really take this thread off course.

-Tim

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