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10-04-2011 02:45 AM  8 years ago
dchekas

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It's kinda of lame that align copied the tool literally like a month after his came out.

I have Bobby's green duo, and if I ever get a 450 size bird, I'll get his nano duo.

For the extra couple bucks, it's worth it to support someone here in the US.
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10-04-2011 10:17 AM  8 years ago
Richardmid1

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Someone mentioned Herringbone gears and that Mikado has patented this. Herringbone gears have been used for years in many different applications, how did they manage to patent it? I guess the original patent could have expired?60% of the time, it works every time!
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10-04-2011 10:35 AM  8 years ago
red_z06

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I guess the original patent could have expired?
Once the patent expires, it becomes public and can't be patented.

It has nothing to do with the gear being around. It has to do with the application of such in a RC heli.

While majority fly with straight cut spur gears, some use helical. Helical increases the load capability (much like the tank slant armor) and reduces gear noise. But it has a flaw in heli application. It puts axial load on the gear (will deform) and on the radial bearing not designed for the axial load.

In that regard, it has improved upon spur and removed issues with the helical and was the first to come up with the idea before it became a public knowledge (no longer patentable after 1 year of public knowledge).

Patents are issued based on specific WORDING and not the idea. So, once the patent is issued, it is not difficult to bypass these WORDING. It it done on a daily bases in the industry. But you need the aide of a IP lawyer that most RC mfgs do not typically employ.

But, until such wording is available after patent is issued, even the IP lawyers are powerless. That is why I said patent pending is more potent than the patent itself.
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10-04-2011 10:52 AM  8 years ago
MartyH

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Yes, thats right, until it's approved, you don't know specifically what is approved so you'd be taking a huge risk to go duplicate something without knowing what exactly is protected. However, that's all paper and only seems to matter here (certainly not in China) and the only way it has any teeth is to not support companies or products that infringe upon others ideas or products. But, this being the U.S., people like to talk about standing up for ideals but most don;t walk to the walk. Price will win out.
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10-04-2011 10:52 AM  8 years ago
red_z06

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The one-way tool probably can't be patented. Even by some chance it is issued, it will be revoked merely by showing the proof of prior art by those who copied the IDEA.

But, even if it did exist, one can file a design patent. This starts with Dxxxxx in front of the patent. It protects competitors from coping the shape which may confuse the public in thinking they are buying company A when in fact they are buying company B.

As for doing the similar things, every company in US do it to their competitors (even with IP protection) in US or abroad.

Patents are more like a land mine for companies. It is not to stop you from doing the same thing. But, it is there to slow you down.

For example, if a device A has a patent on a flexing arm design. The body has to have WORDING on how the flexing is done (hinges etc) and with how many. If it has 2 flexing arms, you can go to 3 flexing arms (may not be ideal or practical) to bypass the patent.
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10-04-2011 11:26 AM  8 years ago
Ronald Thomas

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Herringbone gears
Apparently they have been copied too. Here is a set on a Trex 700:

https://rc.runryder.com/t661685p1/
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10-04-2011 11:30 AM  8 years ago
red_z06

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Who makes that herringbone gear for 700? I want one. www.JustinJee.com
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10-04-2011 11:39 AM  8 years ago
Justin Stuart (RIP)

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I wanted to get one of those 700 herringbone gears too, but I read somewhere that the plastic they were using would shatter easily. Then others said the plastic was good. The idea is nice.Avant RC
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10-04-2011 11:46 AM  8 years ago
TMoore

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Herringbone gears have been around long before the turn of the last century(1900) and I doubt that Mikado has a patent on that particular gearing system.

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10-04-2011 11:55 AM  8 years ago
red_z06

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Herringbone gears have been around long before the turn of the last century(1900) and I doubt that Mikado has a patent on that particular gearing system.
Read above.

In short, it is the application of such in RC heli to solve specific problems that counts. Patent typically is not about a mechanism (herringbone gear), but the application of such that merits one.
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10-04-2011 11:59 AM  8 years ago
TMoore

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Sorry, don't think it's a patentable application either.

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10-04-2011 12:35 PM  8 years ago
bopshi

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Can you blame Align everyone clones their Helis dont they. A minature stud removing tool is all it is, they have been around forever! Dave
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10-04-2011 01:32 PM  8 years ago
devious17

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Bitch all you want folks,its not going to help a bit. Its a dog eat dog world out there. China may be shrewd but they are on the way up, like it or not.

I still cant figure out why do I need a grippy or whatever its called, the only time I remove the spindle is when its bent, since its already bent I dont think I will be concerned with scratching any ends so a vice plier works just fine.

Loosen one end of the bolt and junk bolts and spindle,replace them all. Dont reuse the spindle bolts even if they arent broken after a crash.
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10-04-2011 01:50 PM  8 years ago
ShuRugal

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God damn Sears! How DARE they copy the idea for the box-wrench and sell it under their own brand!!AMA 700159
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10-04-2011 02:39 PM  8 years ago
fenderstrat

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I still cant figure out why do I need a grippy or whatever its called, the only time I remove the spindle is when its bent,
sometimes you need to change the dampers or blade grip bearings.and its good to lube the spindle when you re-build

It is also smart to use new spindle bolts so this makes getting the one side out VERY easy.

this only applies if you are flying enough to wear out dampers and bearings before crashes
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10-04-2011 03:28 PM  8 years ago
lfalsetto

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R&D definition in U.S. is Research and Development.

R&D over there is Research and Duplicate.
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10-04-2011 03:32 PM  8 years ago
red_z06

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Research & Development. www.JustinJee.com
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10-04-2011 03:35 PM  8 years ago
MartyH

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I hope they choke on their tool. No pun intended.
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10-04-2011 04:05 PM  8 years ago
shawmcky

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Helibug/Century,anyone Its all fair gameTeam- unbiased opinion.K.I.S.S principle upheld here
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10-04-2011 06:41 PM  8 years ago
Civerad

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I use an old one way bearing from my 450 as a "grippy" for my 500.
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