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08-14-2011 06:29 PM  7 years agoPost 21
raptornoob

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another Quickie 18 video...updated settings
TO ALL NOOBS Mr JuanRodriguez is correct in all his statments....i just get a little excited to fly,,,i found some new bugs, ( glow igniter fell off and must be repaired), and yes i need to make a starter hole thru the canopy...But i just want to fly, and yes safty first,,HOLD THE HEAD, i know...already got wacked in the nose with the main blades...but while bleeding on my shirt...did not stop me from flying...my son helped this time holding 1 end of the blade, and i think the bird is still not perfect...but im working on it and i got another vid of new settings...i had way to much pitch (Pos 12) and 3/4 throttle....so now i have -3 to +10 and full throttle, wow big difference...thanks for all the help guys..

BUT i still have a problem with the gyro...takes off in HH and lands in rate mode ???????

also when i use throttle hold my Anti Rotation Washout Base Assembly
and swash move so far apart that the pin comes out and wont re-align when you turn it back down.....i dont know what radio funtion controls that....i need help with that???

ok here we go!!! i just want to say these are just opinions of a NOOB

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08-15-2011 01:38 AM  7 years agoPost 22
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Okay guys, im going on a ROADTRIP to PA
we will start tomorrow at 9:00 or 10:00 and we are going to new jersey for the famous white castle burger run, then we are off to quick world, ( let the guys check out my Quickie .18,) then off to Amish country for 2 days, then a sonic restaurant run, then back to mass, so I’ll be offline for awhile... i give you an update when i get back....thanks for all the support.

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08-15-2011 01:56 AM  7 years agoPost 23
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Just a note: Irwin & Jon usually go to IRCHA which just ended today (Sunday, Aug, 14, 2011). Check with them if they would be back in the store when you get there! Remember what happened to the Griswold's when the got to Wally World in National Lampoon's Vaccation!

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08-15-2011 12:08 PM  7 years agoPost 24
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Looks better.....
How do you have your gyro set up ?? ie, are you using a switched channel such as the gear channel to flip between HH and standard mode ?

If so, try moving those ATV numbers away from each other just a little (5 % points ?) from where you have them now on BOTH the HH side of the switch and the "standard mode" side of the switch.

You mentioned that you have a really cheap transmitter. It could be that the signal may be drifting just a little and your ATV settings that correspond to HH and standard mode are close enough to each other to confuse the gyro....

This is just a shot in the dark but it may solve the problem....

Another shot in the dark regarding the pins coming out when in "throttle hold"..... you may need to see if your radio has a pitch curve for throttle hold that you can adjust..... if so, you probably have too much negative pitch and upping the numbers for that curve will prevent the swash from going too low... adjust the number so that the pins remain engaged....

One last thing.... your transmitter antenna should not be pointing directly at the heli.... the general recommendation is to bend the antenna at the swivel joint (half way up the antenna) so that the tip of the antenna is angled a bit and not directly pointed at the model. It has to do with the way the signal pattern that is radiated from the tip of the antenna.....

Been there, done that and old enough to know better.....

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08-20-2011 12:04 AM  6 years agoPost 25
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Back from PA Thanks for the help, Irwin and jon
Finished the video, you can post what i did wrong and or other problems, sorry i missed you on the second day..i had to get home quick, i still need a little learning on gyros, i was just getting use to HH and Rate, and now you set me to gyrosense,,,,dont quite get it yet, but she flys great...i just noticed a small crack today on 1 skid..i will have to order new ones....thanks Irwin and jon Oh and JuanRodriguez i cut a spot for the starter...LOL

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08-22-2011 04:47 PM  6 years agoPost 26
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The heli seems to be flying much better! Could you let us know what were the problems and what was done to fix it? That way we can all learn.

Gamb

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08-30-2011 06:38 PM  6 years agoPost 27
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Everything was fine until i changed fuel
and i think i snap the starter shaft trying to tun it again, and im awaiting shafts from irwin...i will update

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09-05-2011 02:16 PM  6 years agoPost 28
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MOVED FROM PM TO FORUM
hi guys

Hi Quick Worldwide this is mike from worcester ma, i drove down to check out the store, i got back home as you know and flew the heli 1 time and then change fuel to 20 percent, i had such a hard time starting the toki 18, that i snapped the starter shaft, so i ordered some parts, got the parts , and changed the parts ...also changed the glow plug, i started at 2 3/4 turns like you said, i primed her and began to try to start her, (for 2 hours) got it to run, but it would die the minute i gave her throttle, is this motor junk, or can you help me ? i dont know what im doing wrong, what do i need to check for???i bought her for 250, you guys did work to it 120 and i got about 40 dollars in parts, im all out of money...i dont know what to do..i flew it 4 times.....now its dead, i dont have anyone in this area to help, and i cant afford another trip...i need help....if you can tell me what i should look for or settings, or is the motor junk..thanks for any and all help, i cant find any manual on the net for this toki motor, and i noticed it has 3 screws that i can see...but have no idea how to set them if they are screwed up,

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09-05-2011 05:41 PM  6 years agoPost 29
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heres the motor and carb
i changed to 20% outrage and i cant get the toki to start right, i would like to use this case of fuel i got...cant afford any more right now....but, it has 3 screws, i have no manual, irwin said 2 3/4 on main needle, but i dont know about the other 2...thanks for any help, i need to find a gasket for muffler now too, the previous owner put silicone...(unless thats ok)..thanks for any help

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09-05-2011 06:56 PM  6 years agoPost 30
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Ok,
The needle on the back (closest to the head) (#1) does not do anything "mixture wise"... it is just a "stop" that can be used to set how far the barrel closes....Most heli guys would just back it out almost all the way out and set the minimum barrel position using the radio...... and on some motors, this screw is what prevents the barrel of the carb from coming completely out....This type of arrangement is used primarily with airplanes... I suspect that your motor is probably an airplane motor....

The screw in the front (#3) is an "air bleed" screw and it is used to adjust your idle mixture...... the more you turn it in (clockwise) the more you block the air from coming in that little tiny hole you see in front of the carburator throat.... So if my recollection serves me well, screwing it in will richen the idle mixture while screwing it out will lean the idle mixture.....If I have that backwards I'm sure someone will point it out.....

At best , it is a crude way to adjust the idle mixture but it is cheaper to manufacture than the other methods commonly used..... It will work but it's a pain in the arse to get it right.....

Lastly, unless you wound up with a bad batch of fuel or fuel that is not fresh and possibly contaminated with water then I doubt very seriously that your problems began just by changing the fuel.....

Quick way to check is to get a hold of some other fuel (even if you have to buy a quart) and try switching......

Irwin's recommendation of 2 3/4 on the main (#2) will get the motor started and running very rich (which is what you want initially) until you can get it dialed in a little better....

Regarding your motor.... you bought this stuff used..... just remember that when you do that, you run the chance of inheriting someone else's problems.......

Been there, done that and old enough to know better.....

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09-07-2011 09:23 PM  6 years agoPost 31
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toki 18 question
i now need a gasket for the muffler, and or can you use rtv or silicone....and what loctite do you use on the exhaust...thanks

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09-07-2011 11:43 PM  6 years agoPost 32
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Mike,
Most don't use a gasket between the muffler and motor... using one lends itself to having things come loose....

Clean everything really well with acetone (both mating surfaces, that is) and use a VERY SMALL amount of red RTV between the two mating surfaces.... if you use too much, some will inadvertently flake off inside the combustion chamber and it will foul out your glo plug.... A little red RTV on the threads and a lock washer under the head of the muffler bolts has worked very well for me over the years...

Over the years, some swear by the method of using a 2 part epoxy between the mating surfaces..... Although I have never tried it, the ones using this method say it works well....

BTW, I didn't see any comment(s) about what I wrote in my previous post..... a simple "thanx" for taking the time would be nice......

Been there, done that and old enough to know better.....

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09-08-2011 12:31 AM  6 years agoPost 33
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red RTV
where do you get that, i see black or blue at my auto store....is it supposed to be high heat....thanks

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09-08-2011 12:52 AM  6 years agoPost 34
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Red RTV......
Should be available at any decent automotive supply house, Home Depot, Lowes or other local hardware store such as ACE or TrueValue....

Been there, done that and old enough to know better.....

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09-14-2011 01:51 AM  6 years agoPost 35
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i want to install a align 2 in 1 on the quickie 18
my glow igniter just eats batteries$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$
here is all the spec, the align runs 5.8 volts, and 1 have 1 servo running 4.8, its the throttle,do i have to get a new servo? any help would be great
align 2 in 1 specs
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Align DS620 - Digital Servo rudder

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Product Number: HSD62001
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Number of Reviews: 1
Average Rating: 4.0 / 5.0
Basic Information
Modulation: Digital
Torque: 4.8V:
111.1 oz-in (8.00 kg-cm)
6.0V:
138.9 oz-in (10.00 kg-cm)
Speed: 4.8V:
0.09 sec/60°
6.0V:
0.07 sec/60°
Weight: 1.84 oz (52.2 g)
Dimensions: Length:
1.64 in (41.7 mm)
Width:
0.82 in (20.8 mm)
Height:
1.47 in (37.3 mm)
Motor Type: Coreless
Gear Type: Titanium
Rotation/Support: Dual Bearings
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JR 531 - Premium Sport Servo throttle

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Modulation: Analog
Torque: 4.8V:
51.0 oz-in (3.67 kg-cm)
Speed: 4.8V:
0.21 sec/60°
Weight: 1.50 oz (42.5 g)
Dimensions: Length:
1.52 in (38.6 mm)
Width:
0.73 in (18.5 mm)
Height:
1.32 in (33.5 mm)
Motor Type: 3-pole
Gear Type: ? (add)

Rotation/Support: Single Bearing
Additional Specifications
Rotational Range: ? (add)

Pulse Cycle: ? (add)

Pulse Width: ? (add)

Connector Type: JR

JR DS811 - Digital Advanced Sport Servo cyclic

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Modulation: Digital
Torque: 4.8V:
54.0 oz-in (3.89 kg-cm)
6.0V:
66.0 oz-in (4.75 kg-cm)
Speed: 4.8V:
0.18 sec/60°
6.0V:
0.15 sec/60°
Weight: 1.44 oz (40.8 g)
Dimensions: Length:
1.49 in (37.8 mm)
Width:
0.75 in (19.1 mm)
Height:
1.52 in (38.6 mm)
Motor Type: Cored
Gear Type: Plastic
Rotation/Support: Single Bearing
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09-24-2011 01:07 AM  6 years agoPost 36
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any canopies fit the 18 quickie
any canopies fit the 18 quickie....or maybe a fuselage mmmmmmmmm!

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10-24-2011 03:16 AM  6 years agoPost 37
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TOKI .18 PLEASE HELP!!!!!!
ok after only getting 6 flights with this quickie 18 , i put it on a shelf till i could figure out something, so i tore the 18 apart, cleaned and re-oiled , red rtv where gaskets broke, cleaned carb, i took screws out to clean and check holes where clear, now i got for heli world that the main jet is 2 3/4 out, and in the picture, back a few replies, the screw near the head adjust the barrel(how far it is open a idle) and the screw near ths servo arm,??????i dont know the best turns out or in on that one...please help

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10-24-2011 11:38 AM  6 years agoPost 38
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For the lack of any documentation, a good starting place might be to set the screw in far enough so that the TIP of the screw covers 1/2 of the small bleeder hole in front of that carburator... then adjust from there with the motor running.....

Been there, done that and old enough to know better.....

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10-24-2011 08:57 PM  6 years agoPost 39
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yeah thats what i figured.....BUT!
i cant run and adjust in the bird, and i will have to strap it down some how cause when its in the bird i cant get at the screw...OH do i need a propela on the motor....so its not free spinning

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10-24-2011 11:12 PM  6 years agoPost 40
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Yea, you can't run that motor without a load on it.....

I believe that what you have is probably an airplane motor anyway....

You should make yourself some kind of a mount so that you can "bench run" the motor to help make the needed adjustments..... Take a look at the propeller chart I've found for you so that you can pick an appropriate prop for your size motor....

http://www.geistware.com/rcmodeling/prop_charts.htm

When running that motor DO NOT attempt to make any adjustments while standing in front of the running motor.... ie, don't reach over a spinning prop......do everything from behind. Also, DON'T have your children around while you are doing this....

For adjusting that air bleed screw SHUT THE MOTOR OFF between "tweaks"..... the idea is to "sneak up" on the adjustment rather than trying to make major changes.......

Once you get things right, the motor should idle well for at least 30 seconds and then transition to full throttle without any major stumbling or the motor quitting on you..... Don't "slam" the stick when checking the adjustment but rather SMOOTHLY move the stick from idle to full throttle......

The best way I can describe when the idle needle setting is just right is when you can hear little to no difference in the way the motor is idling when you remove the glo driver while the motor is at idle..... If the motor speeds up a little and then dies, then it is still too lean and will need to be richened a little.... If the motor RPM slows down to the point where it starts to burble and dies, then you are too rich.

Lastly, and I know the temptation will be great, DO NOT under ANY circumstances strap your heli down on the bench to run the motor/blades in an attempt to adjust the motor settings !!!

You may get folks debating this well discussed issue but take it from me, DON'T DO IT !! You've been warned......

Been there, done that and old enough to know better.....

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