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08-06-2011 01:59 AM  6 years agoPost 1
Sophie Loader

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I was buddy boxing my Uncle today in a reasonably successfull attempt in helping him with some entry and exit strategies in hesitation manouvers like in the haymaker etc. It was a good session with plenty of packs to keep going and hopefully, something was learned (on my part too).
The problem with today was the attitude and remarks from other pilots directed at me. Typically, "She's crap", "He can teach her a thing or two", "Big t!ts destroy the sticks" etc etc.
What the heck is wrong with these guys and what does a girl need to wear or look like to avail herself of these sexist remarks ? given that I ussume they were aware of my uncles abilities which are ok but with much to be desired.
This is the 5th time I've had such strong abuse and am getting sick 'n tired of it.
What do any of you suggest. Go anorak, frumpie or hot ? OR, start a session with a demo flight which I'm not so comfortable with. Stresses in performance has allways been difficult.

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08-06-2011 02:10 AM  6 years agoPost 2
Dennis (RIP)

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Unfortunate Sophie, its not going to get any better.

You will be seeing and hearing that where ever you go in this hobby.

Just as unfortunately, you may have to grow a thicker skin.

That type of behaviour is very common with the ladies that get involved in this hobby and many others as well.

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08-06-2011 02:18 AM  6 years agoPost 3
Steff Giguere

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You need to find a woman friendly field.

We have one woman pilot at our club, she just started flying and all the guys what to see her succeed. No one says anything sexist towards her.

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08-06-2011 02:22 AM  6 years agoPost 4
Sophie Loader

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There must be a way to break the mould. So what's the plan man ? what's the best way to bridge the gendre issue without excessing to overt methods. Sure, I could take advantage of my physique and go the 'sex' route but how do I acheive and equal the apparent pretentions of the male fraternity ?

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08-06-2011 02:26 AM  6 years agoPost 5
DaytonHeliWife

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You know... I'm not a pilot by any means, but I'm a major supporter of the hobby/sport. And I've never heard anyone say those kind of things. Most "MEN" in the sport that I know are just awesome, and cool, and happy to know that there's women out there who are interested.

I go to the fun flies and events, and many of the pilots out there, like Nick Maxwell, Bobby Watts, JC Zankl, and others are just as friendly to the women as they are to the men.

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08-06-2011 02:26 AM  6 years agoPost 6
Dennis (RIP)

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There must be a way to break the mould. So what's the plan man ? what's the best way to bridge the gendre issue without excessing to overt methods. Sure, I could take advantage of my physique and go the 'sex' route but how do I acheive and equal the apparent pretentions of the male fraternity ?
You may have to resort to suttle overt methods at times Sophie. I know a few females that can make a big mouth guy run away crying and certainly with his tail between his legs never to bother again. But, that might be for extreme circumstances.

Do you have a boy friend or a husband?

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08-06-2011 02:35 AM  6 years agoPost 7
Sophie Loader

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DaytonHeliWife - sounds like you have some decent people in your area and not falling foul of some modern day trappings.

Dennis - 2nd year student = no husband. Have girlfriend. Why not when guys are basically loudmouthed sexists which sadly seems to be universal.

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08-06-2011 02:38 AM  6 years agoPost 8
Dennis (RIP)

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Have girlfriend. Why not when guys are basically loudmouthed sexists which sadly seems to be universal.
Its the nature of the male species Sophie.

If you love the hobby, you will find a way to deal with it.

Best to just ignore it.

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08-06-2011 02:46 AM  6 years agoPost 9
wrongler

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2nd year student = no husband. Have girlfriend. Why not when guys are basically loudmouthed sexists which sadly seems to be universal
With that statement, it seems to me that there may be some animosity on both sides. How many times have you made that statement to them?

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08-06-2011 03:01 AM  6 years agoPost 10
Havoc

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I don't think we've had those problems at our field and we have had all different backgrounds represented.

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08-06-2011 03:22 AM  6 years agoPost 11
white chocolate

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2nd year student = no husband. "Have girlfriend".
Would it be sexist if I said awesome when I read this comment???

Do your thing Sophie! Dont worry bout what others have to say!

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08-06-2011 03:39 AM  6 years agoPost 12
Jerry K

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BTW I would welcome the softer side at the field. All the guys I fly with are Fugly

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08-06-2011 03:53 AM  6 years agoPost 13
white chocolate

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Jerry K for president!!!

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08-06-2011 04:10 AM  6 years agoPost 14
MichiganFlyer

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Land your heli and say "I don't need comments!" then fly. The worst thing for insecure men like that is a strong women. In the first place they should have been supportive. Unless you are beyond there skills then smack them down and teach the ones that want to learn.

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08-06-2011 04:13 AM  6 years agoPost 15
seldred

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sorry to hear about all the c*** you put up with. I wish we had more women pilots at our field! Would be awesome IMO

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08-06-2011 07:04 AM  6 years agoPost 16
shawmcky

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I used to ride bikes,and the comments some of the lady riders used to get from male riders followed similar lines Sophie.One guy even said,"Better tell the girl where we are going so she can find us".He assumed she could not ride,but she was very fast and he was the one no one saw again that day.This was the same for many women in the group.Keep at the hobby and you will have the last laugh.
I think that some blokes are so intimidated by women in a group they just have to go giggle amongst themselves in a corner One of my friends,Judy,worked at a local restaurant as a cook,she could rebuild a bike engine from scratch,time it and ride it really well,much more capable than many of her male counterparts and a very attractive girl to boot.A guy she lived with used to put her down because he was the holder of a degree and she was just a cook.At 28 she got a place at Edinburgh university and now has a masters in engineering.A true story.She moved on from that a**hole

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08-06-2011 10:29 AM  6 years agoPost 17
Sophie Loader

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I had some time to reflect on the situation and think there are possibly other issues at stake. The club is predominantly planks and the unpleasant remarks, I'm pretty sure, were from plankers and I have come across many instances here on RR of intrinsic disharmony between plankers and heli pilots. However, it is very hard being a girl in the macho heli world (and many other walks of life for that matter) as one is judged so unremittingly. I don't like to use sex as a weapon as this plays up to the stereotypical patterns of behaviour and ultimately enforces sexist behaviour. Perhaps tolerance is what counts.

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08-06-2011 10:45 AM  6 years agoPost 18
shawmcky

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Built in tolerance of the knuckle draggers can only be a good thing

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08-06-2011 12:42 PM  6 years agoPost 19
neilg.

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Unfortunate Sophie, its not going to get any better.

You will be seeing and hearing that where ever you go in this hobby.

Just as unfortunately, you may have to grow a thicker skin [B]or grow something else[B]
.

That type of behaviour is very common with the ladies that get involved in this hobby and many others as well.

if you hear it, turn around and say to the man who said something

"SHUT THE **** UP BITCH"

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08-06-2011 01:13 PM  6 years agoPost 20
wrongler

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"SHUT THE **** UP BITCH"
Sorry, But I think that statement would add fuel to the fire!

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