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08-04-2011 08:20 PM  6 years agoPost 1
bkervaski

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Anyone else fly any of the Rail R606 blades from the first batch?

I've been flying them for a month and wow, what an exceptional blade!

I didn't really notice just how much I liked them until I crashed my last set and had to go back to some of the other blades I had since we can't get any more until the official release at IRCHA next week.

I tried old reliable (Radix 600's, Radix 600 FBL's) and it seems you have to pick either cyclic or pop, I didn't realize how perfect the R606's were until they were gone.

I don't even want to fly my helis with the other blades now, spoiled!

Team Synergy Factory Specialist / Scorpion / Thunder Power / Byron's Fuels

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08-04-2011 08:36 PM  6 years agoPost 2
wrongler

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Any Idea when they will be available to everyone?

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08-04-2011 09:20 PM  6 years agoPost 3
USNAviationjay

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asked them last night on FB if larger 600 sizes were coming and they flat said yes. so hopefully well see a 625ish blade from them as well for the bigger 600s very soon!

Will try some for sure when those come out.

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08-04-2011 10:04 PM  6 years agoPost 4
heli-cuzz

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I don't even want to fly my helis with the other blades now, spoiled!
That's how I feel about flying my helis.
Nothing but EDGE 325/603/693 fbl mains.
I'm considering trying the Rail blades when available.

Fury 55 NIB Furion6 CGY750 fbl helicopter-Frenzy CGY750 fbl nitro-Frenzy fbl NOBAR90

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08-04-2011 11:54 PM  6 years agoPost 5
ErichF

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I've been flying them for a month and wow, what an exceptional blade!
I'm sure they are awesome blades, but....

Isn't that said about pretty much every blade that has come out in the last 5 years? Including the latest Mavrikk blades?

When is anyone going to put a real, objective test plan together and really compare blades?

With today's electrics and data logging setups, it should be fairly easy to build a comparison test plan, aside from the "they feel great" or "they auto great", or "these pop really well." None of which can be qualified to mean anything.

Erich

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08-04-2011 11:59 PM  6 years agoPost 6
USNAviationjay

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problem with that theory is different people like different feels.. how is 1 reviewer and their flight style going to do a review that really is relevant..

people say things like this because that blade feels better to them..

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08-05-2011 12:07 AM  6 years agoPost 7
Solmanbandit

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That is one of the reasons why I have been trying to get RC Heli to do a comparison article like they do in some of the motorcycle magazines. They take some similar bikes or tires and they have 2-3 riders test them all out. They have a general part of the article and then each one says which one they like best and why. It gives you a good idea of which one would be good for you.

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08-05-2011 12:26 AM  6 years agoPost 8
Heli-on

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Problem I see with that is anybody's opinion worth hearing about the reviewed 'heli item' is going to a sponsored pilot themselves. Unbiased opinions are so tough to come by. Good thing the pros don't hang out in these forums.

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08-05-2011 12:30 AM  6 years agoPost 9
ErichF

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"Feeling" is the problem. You're right, everyone has different feelings about things. That isn't a meaningful way to compare anything.

There are ways to put a little science and math to work without a lot of special equipment to compare airfoils, effects of CG, etc. A datalogging ESC and a stopwatch can do a lot of things to compare blades, motors, and even batteries. As for nitro, an rpm and temp logging unit like an Eagle Tree can do similar data points.

However, I suppose that RC helis these days is purely about feeling and not science anymore, so probably nobody really cares.

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08-05-2011 12:32 AM  6 years agoPost 10
ErichF

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Good thing the pros don't hang out in these forums.
They do, they just don't make a peep for fear of being accosted by the latest 2-gallon expert that 1) doesn't know what they are talking about, and 2) doesn't know who they are talking to.

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08-05-2011 01:02 AM  6 years agoPost 11
PC12DRVR

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They do, they just don't make a peep for fear of being accosted by the latest 2-gallon expert that 1) doesn't know what they are talking about, and 2) doesn't know who they are talking to.
They have nothing to fear but fear itself!

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08-05-2011 08:39 AM  6 years agoPost 12
KC

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Didn't pros make these blades?

I'll tell you a little story about a salty old pro who is an exceptional contest pilot and went to a few WCs,

"I do 3d, I do inverted hover"

That should sufficiently explain how the twain shall meet.

Cant wait to try these blades, like the name

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08-05-2011 12:58 PM  6 years agoPost 13
Steff Giguere

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It's all a question of feeling, someone might just like one type of blade and another guy really hate that same blade.
I will try for sure the Rail blades, hopefully at IRCHA, I'm sure that they will be awesome, all of Matt's stuff is.

Team Synergy, Rail blades, Team Scorpion, V-Team

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08-05-2011 01:24 PM  6 years agoPost 14
heli-cuzz

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IMO, the best way to test fbl blades is to fly it without a stabilization unit {NOBAR}
Without a swash gyro there is no hiding unwanted characteristics of main blades or even if the model's cg is off.
NOBAR says it all when it comes to flying different brand main blades and an out of balance model.

Fury 55 NIB Furion6 CGY750 fbl helicopter-Frenzy CGY750 fbl nitro-Frenzy fbl NOBAR90

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08-05-2011 02:07 PM  6 years agoPost 15
bkervaski

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Without a swash gyro there is no hiding unwanted characteristics of main blades ...
Of course there are going to be unwanted characteristics if you fly blades designed around electronic or mechanical stabilization without it.

All of your gear is going to affect ultimate performance and user preference.

I think the best way to test blades is fly them with your preferred equipment, adjusting of course throw and gain to your preference.

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08-05-2011 05:10 PM  6 years agoPost 16
USNAviationjay

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it's like tires on sports cars.. someone like different tires..
same for blades.

just because Mario Andretti likes Pilot Sports doesn't mean I do..

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08-05-2011 07:24 PM  6 years agoPost 17
ErichF

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Agree, but even Car and Driver and Consumer Reports routinely does reviews on tires using standard, scientific means...aside from how they "feel". Items like Braking Distance, cornering, balance, noise level, material hardness, etc can all be qualified and quantified. These are things that readers can use to gauge a certain expected "feel" of their own before they even buy. You are right that everyone has their own feel, but often don't have the cash to buy 5-6 sets of blades to blind taste test.

Let's say that a blade comparison looked at 7 items:

1 - Dimensions (span, chord, actual bolt-to-tip distance)
2 - Weight (actual measured weight)
3 - Balance (Span and Chord-wise CGs measured on Koll Rotor Pro)
4 - Noise level (taken at X RPM and Y Distance in hover)
5 - Power Usage (tricky to standardize, but in a test with several blade brands on a common electric model with data logging can be done easily)
6 - Autorotative Capability (timed autorotation endurance from 300 feet - a little difficult to gauge, maybe use timed climb with common RPM and pitch).
7 - Price and availability

Here you can run standardized, loosely scientific measurements to identify each of these parameters. With numbers in mind, individual readers could then estimate a "feel" for the blades based on their own priorities.

Erich

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