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10-28-2011 06:26 PM  7 years agoPost 261
Band1086

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believe it or not the back warmer will stay warm and keep the batteries at good temperature for several hours.
Good idea, thanks.
Hot starts
I've never had one with electrics, but then again I started with nitro. I think with the new high quality ESC's there are a lot of built in safety features, but the older and cheaper ones, not so.
I have had hot starts on N's for 2 reasons, forget to turn on receiver before attempting to start, and having it in IU. Both were simply being too anxious to get into the air and not watching what I was doing.
I had some expensive brain farts but nowhere near the headaches while learning to fly while learning to build...those two are a real soup sandwich
LOL, both are much harder when everything is beginning!
forgot that the tail blades were on and WHACK...rainbow monitor.
Darn tail blades!

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10-28-2011 07:49 PM  7 years agoPost 262
Rogman88

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We are down to one nitro 700 left at our field. Everyone has since sold their nitro birds and are now electric. The one nitro 700 that is left seems to always either be too lean or rich at either the bottom, middle or high end according to the owner. No problems with his electric 500 power system though...

High Voltage just works better

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10-28-2011 08:06 PM  7 years agoPost 263
rilopez825

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Yea we're down to 2 nitros at our field as well out of the 3 700's, but no tuning issues here and oh wait we where actually down to two Heli's Until a months ago when the 700e was purposely downed for fear of fire for 3 months. And still that one e guy actually flies wondening is this thing going to catch on fire on me?

The E guy is a good friend of mine and we have a blast ranting on which power plant is better. We have a great time on that.

Oh yea the e guys have more time to make fun of N guys as we are busy flying.

Richard

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10-28-2011 08:13 PM  7 years agoPost 264
McKrackin

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NM

Unsubscribing for a while.
There air's getting stale again.

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10-28-2011 08:33 PM  7 years agoPost 265
MichiganFlyer

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As a newbie and a E guy I find electric easier for learning. Once a pack is charged I am ready to fly and tempature and humidity aren't going to affect my motor. It will run at 100% and I can concentrate on learning flight. If I had a nitro I would also be in the learning curve of tuning a motor. Being a bit of a MotorHead I would constantly trying to tweek the carb to get that perfect power band. A perfectly tuned heli in the hands of the right pilot is SWEET to watch and makes beautiful tunes in the air. But for me it is an art that I am not ready to learn. For now I'll learn flight. Electrics take the tuning learning out of the equation for a newbie.

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10-29-2011 03:43 AM  7 years agoPost 266
Rogman88

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There air's getting stale again
Another reason why I went electric. Those fumes!

High Voltage just works better

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10-29-2011 03:50 AM  7 years agoPost 267
BobOD

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Good ole Rog.


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10-29-2011 04:13 AM  7 years agoPost 268
McKrackin

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I was referring to these "fumes".
We are down to one nitro 700 left at our field. Everyone has since sold their nitro birds and are now electric. The one nitro 700 that is left seems to always either be too lean or rich at either the bottom, middle or high end according to the owner. No problems with his electric 500 power system though...
Similar to those found behind male cattle

How is that post on topic?

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10-29-2011 04:47 AM  7 years agoPost 269
BobOD

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Electrics would be better suited to be set up for speed runs.
I'm not certain of this...that is it's not proven because I've not seen a high powered Nitro compete.
But, I'd go electric in this category.

Reasons being:

-With Nitro, fuel is light, the power plant heavy. Opposite with electrics...or less so anyway.

-Duration is not very important. This goes hand in hand with the weight ratios above.

-Acceleration is unimportant.

-Agility is unimportant.

-Thermal management. You can do the run, then let the motor rest. This seems more an advantage for the electrics.

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10-29-2011 04:53 AM  7 years agoPost 270
OICU812

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Electrics annihilated Nitros at the speed runs at ircha quite a sight!

...Once upon a time there were Nitros, flybars and frequency pins...

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10-29-2011 05:10 AM  7 years agoPost 271
BobOD

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I heard that. I stated, quite a long while ago, that I figured electrics would win the drag race category so I was not surprized at all. Then I wondered if any of the Nitros were setup as best they could for it. An aquantance just asked me what I thought so I thought it through....and figured I'd post it. Not a difficult analysis really. Simple stuff. Yeah, I still think I was right from the beginning.

Doesn't change what I think of the 3D/big and fast aerobatics categories though. That I still give to Nitro.

That's why having both is best. One just doesn't do all.

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10-29-2011 08:00 AM  7 years agoPost 272
OICU812

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Well Bob, I can not say how optimized those nitros were in that speed race to be honest but the speeds were over 30MPH less. But perhaps that would be a good idea for you to consider given your equipment and conversion ideas, perhaps you could build a specific N runner for speed to compete in it.

...Once upon a time there were Nitros, flybars and frequency pins...

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10-29-2011 08:09 AM  7 years agoPost 273
McKrackin

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High head speed.Lots of pitch and low weight.
Speed runs aren't complicated.

Four or five flat out speed runs without landing...that's different.lol...

Nitro gets lighter and faster and E slows with every passing second.
Don't give me that head room and gov crap because a speed run is WIDE OPEN all it's got.

If they do a few passes without landing,they'll meet in the middle soon and the nitro will start getting the advantage and keep the advantage longer than the E can even stay in the air.

I admit though,E most definitely has the upper hand in the first explosive moments of it's pack.

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10-29-2011 08:20 AM  7 years agoPost 274
McKrackin

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Like I've said before...If an E heli could fly for an hour on a charge at twice the power of a nitro,it wouldn't matter...I would prefer nitro.

It's a nitro thing...Personal preference that won't be swayed.

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10-29-2011 11:19 AM  7 years agoPost 275
Ronald Thomas

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The N will never be as fast, even empty. A 30mph difference is not easily made up by a few ounces of fuel less weight. Besides the amount of passes made in a speed run are in no way enough to kill a battery to the point of that much loss in speed. The Jokers and TDRs got faster as the passes went....a lot of it is flying technique also..........Ron

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10-29-2011 11:25 AM  7 years agoPost 276
OICU812

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There ya go ern, at ircha 2012 you and bob can make a dedicated n racer, see how u fair.

...Once upon a time there were Nitros, flybars and frequency pins...

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10-29-2011 04:02 PM  7 years agoPost 277
Nycatt

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Actually Nycatt, I don't recommend you getting another Nitro.

I am enjoying the posts, and most good, both E and N, as well some just ridiculous, like 36 line list of bad nitro things, I'll address this wonderful piece of literature later, and 16 minute electric helicopter flights, not going to comment as to weather or not it is possible, just saying that it is on the far outside of believable, would love to see a video, if anyone has a video link please post.

But what I have recently realized is that, as result of Nycatts post, neither power system is for everyone. I digress...

Nycatt is, by far, one of the best builders I know. Very detailed, very thorough, but, and for the life of me I can't figure this one out, he has had more trouble with nitro than anyone I have ever seen. Don't really know why as for me...nitro is easy, and dependable

So it is, there for, I've concluded that, IMO, you should fly what suits you the best, what your most comfortable with.

I use electric for practising new manuvers, as, for me, I can have very sloppy collective management, which can sometimes be the case when trying something new, once I have a feel for the move, I switch back to nitro as, for me, it is the superior power plant, with the least amount of hassle, but thats me.

As for the "clean up" argument...well I don't know about that one. I have found myself complaining about this as well, but, at the end of the day, both literal and figurative, it only takes about 2 minutes, and allows me to inspect my heli at the same time.
Thanks for the kind words helix. That engine I had a problem with ran great once you changed the rear bearing. I WILL get another nitro when I feel like ALWAYS wrenching.




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10-29-2011 04:07 PM  7 years agoPost 278
McKrackin

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E loses power and speed as it loses fuel while N gains power and speed as it warms up and gets lighter so YES it will be faster...Only a matter of time.lol...

Now,I mean to make speed passes until one is forced to land and we all know which order that will happen in and the N will not only be faster than the E in the last passes but will make enough passes after the E fizzles to make up any ground lost and then some.

I see what we have here is drag race fans and oval track fans.

Crotch rocket fans and Harley Davidson fans.

Like I always say,I know E has more explosive power but I'm not interested and have no idea why anyone debates it.
Are you trying to get nitro guys to change?

Don't bother. It's a hobby and I'll enjoy it as I see fit.
I suggest you all do the same

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10-29-2011 04:21 PM  7 years ago •• Post 279 ••
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well,

RE: speed pass

I think that a proper speed bird is one that takes ALL aspects into account, shave weight, low cyclic, high stability, high collective travel, and aerodynamics.

I think aerodynamics is lost on the muffler, as well, logo and tdr canopies are the most aerodynamic currently on the market.

So as far as speed pass, this has less to do with power and more to do with the aforementioned.

However...

The YS 120 seems to be busting up current main gears, the very main gears that were developed to sustain ELECTRIC power.

Now there is your new topic, if E power WAS so great they had to dovelop a better main gear, what does this say about the 120.

I would conclude that the 120 is far more powerful than any current 700E setup.

Be sure the juice is worth the sqweeze
Remember life is hard...even harder for stupid people

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10-29-2011 04:48 PM  7 years agoPost 280
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HA! That's very funny Helix! LOL

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