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06-05-2011 11:47 PM  9 years ago
mustang67ford

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Ok, so my idea and settings for normal and idle 1 is correct? Just need to determine the pitches and throttle settings. Too bad there is no way to eliminate the ability for the heli to start in idle up 1.
And the way I fly I don't even have the skid off the ground in normal.
Either take off or landing. I always flip to idle up 1 before take off and flip it off after on the ground.
Based on the above statement, why even have a normal mode and an idle up mode? Is it just for a way to start the heli and get the head speed up before switching over to idle up 1?
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06-06-2011 12:00 AM  9 years ago
McKrackin

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Normal mode is just for spooling up in my book.

Get a Switchglo Pro and you can set it up so the heli can't be started in idle up or if the throttle stick is up.
I literally never use the word literally right.
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06-06-2011 12:03 AM  9 years ago
TheWoodCrafter

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Normal mode is just for spooling up in my book.
+1
Thanks, TheWoodCrafter
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06-06-2011 12:08 AM  9 years ago
mustang67ford

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Thanks guys, this should get me going.
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06-06-2011 09:17 PM  9 years ago
mustang67ford

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ok, follow-up question. At mid stick, the throttle will be at 50% and pitch will be at zero. Do I need to worry about this hurting the motor? Its going to be putting out a descent amount of RPMs with no pitch. Thanks
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06-06-2011 09:49 PM  9 years ago
TheWoodCrafter

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This should be fine.
If you have a tach. check it.
A 50 sized machine for a beginner I would think 1800 RPM fully loaded should be fine. At mid stick it will be less.
Thanks, TheWoodCrafter
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06-06-2011 11:04 PM  9 years ago
MattJen

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I fly at mid stick, I am not a stick banger, even when i was flying F3C my 12-0-12 was on an idle up, and as long as you click into idle up on a climb out as load is added there is no difference, and when you click in to normal flight again you get used to it..

I have had a lot of newbies turn up to my field with there pitch and throttle set up as a HOT 3 der, it is horrible, you drop the stick one click on the throttle and the machine drops like a rock..

In normal mode, you would want a -3 +5 or 6 then +10, that will make for a nice soft managable curve, and not agressive.

Then if you want to stick bang go into idle up, i always set my idle 1 and 2 the same, and having competed in national I have found those settings were nice to learn on.

Flying around in normal is a good way to crash.
Only if you dont know how to set a machine up properly, then those that fly in Idle up have their engines screaming their nuts off with a poorly setup pitch curve.

I have just setup a Raptor titan, the guy is just doing lazy fig 8s, the throttle is set to be a nice smooth curve, so as pitch is added the engine is already on the boil..

You dont need to be flying around in idle up all the time if you are not doing aeros.

I will say that is my opinion based on a lot of flying of different sized machines up to large scale turbine models.
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06-06-2011 11:56 PM  9 years ago
McKrackin

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Flying around in normal is a good way to crash.
Only if you dont know how to set a machine up properly, then those that fly in Idle up have their engines screaming their nuts off with a poorly setup pitch curve.

I have just setup a Raptor titan, the guy is just doing lazy fig 8s, the throttle is set to be a nice smooth curve, so as pitch is added the engine is already on the boil..

You dont need to be flying around in idle up all the time if you are not doing aeros.

I will say that is my opinion based on a lot of flying of different sized machines up to large scale turbine models.
First part of your statement...You ARE talking to someone that is new to setting up a heli and has never switched flight modes before.

The engine WILL NOT be screaming its nuts off at 50-60% throttle.
If yours does,your set up is crap.

Your advice is BAD.
Changing flight modes should have ZERO EFFECT on pitch until you have a ton of experience.

Your large scale turbine stuff is useless here.
Not helpful at all.

I hope he has the sense to ignore it all.
I literally never use the word literally right.
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06-07-2011 12:15 AM  9 years ago
MattJen

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thanks for that Mcracking,

If you re read my post i mentioned about my fury which is not a turbine, and the Raptor 50.

you are telling the guy to fly around idle up,

I have no negative pitch in normal mode.
I spool up in normal and go idle up as soon as it lifts off.

You ARE talking to someone that is new to setting up a heli and has never switched flight modes before.

SO then why are you encouraging him to fly around in an idle up setting ?

You dont need to,

a -4 +6 + 10 will be nice and gentle, and give a learner breathing space.. your setup of 12 - 0 12 with a high speed will make the machine so twitchy.

which is typical 3D setup, which you dont want when you are learning ? or am i reading your post wrong ?

I took issue on the comment of if you fly around in normal you will crash, - that is rubbish.

EDIT ahhh i see,
I was quoting a post saying "if you fly around in normal you will crash,"
soorry for confusion given.
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06-07-2011 12:21 AM  9 years ago
McKrackin

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SO then why are you encouraging him to fly around in an idle up setting ?
Idle up should make absolutely no difference.
Your set up needs to be seamless between modes.

The only thing different in idle up is how much negative pitch you have at low stick and that has NO effect on take off or landing.

Changing from normal to idle up YOUR way would instantly slam the heli with a ton of negative pitch and CRASH!!!!

Your advice is dangerous to new guys and even experienced guys.

Do what you want but keep that death trap set up out of a new guys thread asking advice for doing something for the first time in his life.
I literally never use the word literally right.
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06-07-2011 12:27 AM  9 years ago
MattJen

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Changing from normal to idle up YOUR way would instantly slam the heli with a ton of negative pitch and CRASH!!!!

no it wont, you guys must fly very differently over there.

On my fury i climb out go into idle up, which you do anyway,
so how do you change into idle up ?

If your stick is at mid stick, you are hovering,this guy is hovering at 1/4 stick.

so if he switches into idle up he is either gonna slam into the ground or he will be going from hover pitch to zero...

your way is a death trap that i see so many hot doggers fly, a poor old newbie has a machine setup like that, so he hardly has to cough on the sticks, and it moves he gets disorientated and he drops the stick which we all do when we learn, in an idle up setting he has a lot more negative and he slams into the ground..
A beginner
in my opinion needs to have a slow setup in normal, once he can fly, and learn to fly faster then he moves into an idle up setting where things move faster..

Idle up should make absolutely no difference.
Your set up needs to be seamless between modes.

The only thing different in idle up is how much negative pitch you have at low stick and that has NO effect on take off or landing.

thats interesting, cos that is how my Predator turbine is setup for aeros,

Matt
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06-07-2011 12:28 AM  9 years ago
BladeStrikes

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a -4 +6 + 10 will be nice and gentle, and give a learner breathing space..
+1 MattJen and that's how it should be for normal....

Mc,Read all the manual's for nitro heli's.What Matt said is the correct way to set pitch/throttle curve's up on nitro heli's.
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06-07-2011 12:38 AM  9 years ago
MattJen

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aaahhh
Mccraking is flying electric, aaahh well then that explains your curves and settings,

Yes they operate a lot differently, and i fly my electric around in idle up, as it is governed.
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06-07-2011 12:39 AM  9 years ago
McKrackin

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a -4 +6 + 10 will be nice and gentle, and give a learner breathing space..
+1 and that's how it should be for normal.....
Lon,you're saying you have 6 degrees of pitch at 50% throttle?
That's what he's saying.
He says he hovers at 50% throttle or less and thinks new guys should too.
On my fury i climb out go into idle up, which you do anyway,
so how do you change into idle up ?
I just switch to idle up any time I want to click click click click....You never see a difference.Nothing.
I can switch to idle up an inch from the ground with my hand completely off the throttle.
It will have no effect.
I literally never use the word literally right.
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06-07-2011 12:42 AM  9 years ago
MattJen

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Lon,you're saying you have 6 degrees of pitch at 50% throttle?

it is not 50% throttle, it depends on what ever the head speed is you want to run, if you are a learner you only want to be running 1550/1650 head speed.. you are running a machine that is governed and has instant power, a nitro doesnt have that kind of power instantly. and it will drop.. you are getting confused with a ESC setup.

I set the hover point,as mid stick, 5 or 6, i then keep increasing the throttle curve at that point until i get my desired headspeed ( boom taco) then once i have got that speed nailed, i smooth out the other points in the curve..

That makes for a nice smooth curve that doesnt give any nasty surprises on someone who is new to flying.

Take care, and Nice gallery by the way MC

Matt
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06-07-2011 01:04 AM  9 years ago
McKrackin

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. you are getting confused with a ESC setup.
I fly nitro dude.
Nitro or electric needs zero pitch at 50% throttle.Period.

Watch at YouTube

I literally never use the word literally right.
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06-07-2011 01:07 AM  9 years ago
MattJen

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Nitro or electric needs zero pitch at 50% throttle.Period.

Well that is your way of setup, I dont agree, with the zero at mid stick.. It is not a nice way to fly for a beginner,in my opinion.

Take care

Matt
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06-07-2011 01:10 AM  9 years ago
McKrackin

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If your stick is at mid stick, you are hovering,this guy is hovering at 1/4 stick.

so if he switches into idle up he is either gonna slam into the ground or he will be going from hover pitch to zero...
Wow,you're thick...

He is hovering at 1/4 throttle and his question and the TOPIC of this thread is "How do I set it up to hover at 3/4 throttle?"

Your advice is the exact opposite of what he asked for.
READ....
I literally never use the word literally right.
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06-07-2011 01:17 AM  9 years ago
BladeStrikes

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I setup everything just like the manual say's but use more pitch.

Normal is +12/+5/-5
Idle 1/2 is +12.5/0/-12.5

If that's wrong then every manual is wrong..
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06-07-2011 01:18 AM  9 years ago
MattJen

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Currently, my heli will hover with a little over 1/4 stick. I am not sure what to change to get it to hover at say 1/2 to 3/4 stick.

That was his question,

he is hovering at 1/4 stick, so that tells me his pitch curve is high at that point. he has 5 degrees or more at point 2 or 3 on his curve.

So he either has to take out pitch at that hover point, 1/4 stick.. and move his pitch curve up.

Or he lowers his throttle curve, what ever he does to one he has to do the other.
What you are looking for is both curves to be almost mirrored.

I am not being thick.

Matt
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