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06-03-2011 04:37 PM  8 years ago
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JeffM1999

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ICE 80HV "Minimal Governor Overhead" Question
Hey guys, got a quick hopefully easy question.

I am running a Furion6 with a Scorpion HKIII-4035-560KV and the 109t/12t setup on 10S. My question is about the governor mode in SET RPM mode. If I want to run a Headspeed higher than about 1950, it gives me the error message "Minimal Governor Overhead".

I understand what the error message means, but I have seen that lots of people are running 2100+ Headspeed and getting good results with the Furion6. Wondering if I can just increase the headspeed value and disregard the error message, or how people are running the higher headspeeds.

Maybe the Jive will let you go higher...?
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06-03-2011 05:22 PM  8 years ago
Yeehaanow

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A larger pinion is what you need.

Or go to 12s
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06-03-2011 06:13 PM  8 years ago
psych-lick

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560kv on 12t w/ 10S will give you 1400+ headspeed at 100% throttle in a hover.
I say ignore the warnings.
DO NOT go to a larger pinion. CC ESC gov struggles with low throttle %.
-Jeff T.
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06-03-2011 07:54 PM  8 years ago
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Psych: Do you mean 2400?

Are you running the 80HV? If so what set rpms do you use and what % throttle does that correspond to?

Also, I have a slow wobble in the skids while in a hover, but when I switch into idle2 it seems to get better as the HS increases. I was thinking that the wobble was just from the HS being a little on the low side, or might it be something else? Tail fin isn't buzzing, and tracking looks perfect...
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06-03-2011 09:35 PM  8 years ago
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Yes 2400 sorry. A wobble in the skids usually means the head dampeners are not suited to the headspeed (usually too low).

I'm not using the CC gov anymore and have switched to Kontronics & YGE.
However, here is a shot of a saved plot on my logo 600 (running 600's) with the 80HV using a Scorpion 4035-560 on 12t with 10S; headspeeds were 1950 & 2200:
Black line is headspeed, blue line is motor_out_%
-Jeff T.
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06-03-2011 10:04 PM  8 years ago
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Thanks for the graph. I will try setting the RPM higher and see what happens. Looks like your controller stayed fairly cool, started to get a little warm at the end. I have heard a few horror stories about these ICE80HV's burning up, so I am going to keep a close eye on the temps...
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06-03-2011 10:12 PM  8 years ago
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Mine lasted well over 100 flights before burning. It went up in a typical flight like the one in the graph, well within temp spec.
I firmly believe a capacitor came loose which caused the FETs to blow.
-Jeff T.
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06-04-2011 12:23 AM  8 years ago
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Wow, OK. I assumed that it would have to run hot to burn up. Guess keeping an eye on the temps wont really help then.

Guess I will have to start saving for a Jive
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06-06-2011 05:00 PM  8 years ago
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I initially ran my Furion 6 ungoverned on a CC ICE 80HV, same motor with the 12t pinion. It will give you close to 2400 rpm headspeed early in flight, depending on how much voltage your batteries provide. I didn't really like how it would overspeed to upwards of 2500 rpm during some maneuvers early in the pack, so I switched to the 13t pinion that came with the kit and am running the CC governer at 2200 rpm. It works great like that, and flight times are longer. If you want to run 2300 rpm governed, you probably should get the 14t pinion.

The CC governer software is just checking to see if there is enough overhead left at whatever headspeed you set it at. If you set the headspeed too high, as your battery voltage drops in flight the governer probably won't be able to maintain headspeed during maneuvers. But it really won't be that different than running ungoverned at 100% throttle at that point.
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06-06-2011 05:19 PM  8 years ago
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Ace: Thanks for the replies in both my topics. I think I do want to run about 2200 or so, so I think the 13t is probably the way to go. I thought it would pull more amps with the 13t and get shorter flight times because of the higher load, but you actually saw longer flight times, huh?
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06-07-2011 04:34 PM  8 years ago
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Mostly due to the lower headspeed. It was 2300-2500 ungoverned on the 12t pinion, so now it's 2200 governed. The effect of headspeed on run time is pretty nonlinear, so even dropping it 50-100 rpm usually has a noticeable increase in flight time.
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