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05-13-2011 02:32 PM  7 years agoPost 1
str8den

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Looking at the blurb it states; quote.. 9.Utilize direct link CCPM swashplate control system to enable direct and fast control response. Specially designed anodized CNC servo horns are not only visually pleasing, but are extremely rigid.. unquote

....direct servo/swash, but only on the two front servos!lmao. infact the front two servos look to be angled in a strange manner, no doubt to create clearance or the servos would interfere with the motor -this 'bodge' makes it even more of a necessity for the long-balllinks attached to the 'ali' (lol!!) servo-horn....makiing for a rather poor direct ccpm imho. the more i look at this heli, the more of a sh*te job i reckon align made in designing this heli.

http://www.align.com.tw/shop/produc...roducts_id=3802

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05-13-2011 04:45 PM  7 years agoPost 2
JOLT

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Oh man, there are quite of few oddities going on. The Lipo location is a disaster waiting to happen and the servo placement is wierd.

But like anything, I would have to fly it for 20-30 flights to get a good idea of like or dislike. Look forward to some member reviews here.

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05-13-2011 06:58 PM  7 years agoPost 3
classic

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It looks like the servo is actually touching the motor. Gotta agree, Pretty poor design.
Looks like they slapped this together quick to just try and sell more units.

Which is worse, ignorance or apathy? I don't know and I don't care!

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05-13-2011 07:00 PM  7 years agoPost 4
philip 01

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looks like it is limited to one motor only.

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05-13-2011 07:06 PM  7 years agoPost 5
str8den

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My bet is that is a 600/550 boom mount, and the main gear etc are off the shelf align parts. I reckon i would sacrifice the 'inverted' motor and rig all that 600pro gear, mount head etc into a pair of align/fusano 550 frames, if it isnt better ccpm geometry itd certainly please my eye rather than this effort.

edit. does anybody remember the original CAD drawings were released, some people commented on the 'low profile' servos to avoid contact with motor!!lol. imo align could have made a larger (bespoke) main-gear, this would move the motor foward, also the 550/600 boom mount has compromised the design. align could have got away with 'direct ccpm' or the inverted motor.... but not both!!

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05-13-2011 10:31 PM  7 years agoPost 6
raptor50luvver

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What's wrong with the lipo location,have you seen the 700e in website pics it's not in it's locked position shot 10 it is and looks good.Also I prefer having the solid A Arm than a plastic slider rail like on the 550 etc.

Time will tell but it looks a reasonable effort to me and all their recent models have been good.

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05-25-2011 07:06 PM  7 years agoPost 7
str8den

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Looks like as though there are issuses with this poor design, a bodge that shoildn't have gone past the original CAD design as it was glaringly obvious at that early stage.i have just read on the freak about having to mess around re-angling the front two servos to clear a non stock motor, and slightly messing with the geometry in the process.
Why didnt align make a servo/main mast configuarion similar to a tt325 for example. Very poor effort from align, in in my opinion a clear bodge from the original design breif.

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05-25-2011 07:39 PM  7 years agoPost 8
Ben-T-Spindle

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I think that the original 600 design was the best. I have one and so far I have found no reason to upgrade.

... BTS

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05-25-2011 07:51 PM  7 years agoPost 9
str8den

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It may not be a problem with all non-stock motors, this is the post i had read:

"Comes with 510kv motor, run 12s if you want to feel the pop, And its cant swing 620 blade. Frame look kinda smaller than 550 little longer than than 550. Only cool news is frame design and push button battery release, new tail case. I am bit disapointer, I thought its support to swing up 650 blade , This one clear can't compare. To fusion 50, It did not support wide range of lipo pack, motor and blade. One other problem install a power 4035 motor and you to mod and remount 2 front servos or they touching motor case , Mess up geometry little bit . Limit front servo throw due long balls link on servo' arm it will binding with servo case, full pitch and full cyclic seem like to be a problem . Only time will tell, need to maiden first"

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05-25-2011 11:23 PM  7 years agoPost 10
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....direct servo/swash, but only on the two front servos!lmao. infact the front two servos look to be angled in a strange manner, no doubt to create clearance or the servos would interfere with the motor
str8den,

this just killed it for me. especially the partial direct servo linkage.

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05-26-2011 04:04 AM  7 years agoPost 11
Paul Woodcock

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Hi guys

I don't like the long balls off the front 2 servos. This is why they need the stiff servo arm.

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05-26-2011 04:55 AM  7 years agoPost 12
parrot

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hmmm...lots of experienced heli designers

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05-26-2011 05:29 AM  7 years agoPost 13
TrevJonez

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whats wrong with stiff servo arms?

Who cares... its just money...

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05-26-2011 06:02 AM  7 years agoPost 14
Paul Woodcock

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Hi

It is not the stiff arms that are the problem. It is the long ball.....

The 'off the plane of the arm' load will place twisting forces on the arm and servo.

It will work, I just think it is a poor design solution.

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05-26-2011 07:05 AM  7 years agoPost 15
philip 01

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looks like a pyro 700-52 might fit as a optional motor.

don't see a scorpion or a neu motor fitting. maybe xera.

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05-26-2011 09:23 AM  7 years agoPost 16
DOKEY

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hmmm...lots of experienced heli designers
Nar I would say some more concerned over a different approach to a problem that didn't need to exist in the first place :/

I like the look of the heli and although the servo set up will work just fine for stick banging, its a little out of the ordinary that doesn't lend itself well to different set ups by the look of it? (maybe?)
I wonder if a couple of servo plates could be made to go up front (bolted to frame) and the addition of bell cranks added, which would bring back the flexibility for different set ups.
Certainly not ideal especially to a new heli design, but a thought?

Ryan.

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05-26-2011 01:13 PM  7 years agoPost 17
headrooter

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I agree with Ben t spindle the original 600 flys great. I love the design as well, nice heli.

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05-26-2011 03:29 PM  7 years agoPost 18
Ben-T-Spindle

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It’s obvious that Align designs on purpose so that other brands of motors can’t be easily fitted. They want you to buy everything Align and if there is an upgrade it will have to come from them. Just not a very customer friendly design.

I sure wish they would make another production run of the original design. The only charge I would like is a flybarless head option and slot the frame so it will fit a Scorpion motor without modifications. It also had a 3-bearing mainshaft.

... BTS

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05-26-2011 04:59 PM  7 years agoPost 19
helo1

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TRex600e Pro...
Just a blurb if you guys are looking to build a 600e with direct to swash servos (all 3 cyclics). I've been building 600e size scale helis
in which the kits came with custom side frames to lower the mechs in the fuselage.
These frames can be bought seperately.
Everything else is the same.
FWIW
Mike L.
south FL.

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05-26-2011 06:32 PM  7 years agoPost 20
str8den

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hmmm...lots of experienced heli designers
Not at the align factory there isn't - open ur eyes and look/think for yourself...sorry if you have ordered one, it'll obviously fly ok, but com' on!

Nismoflip...that 'A' arm might be able to be replaced with an anti rotation bracket and a ele. servo 'flip'/horn placement to get the direct linkage to all three servos?? This still doesnt excuse the front two servo s with their "embedded servo mounts." makes the T550 frames a tempting proposition tho' you'll loose the 'inverted' motor and battery placement of the new 600e/pro.

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