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05-11-2011 01:58 PM  7 years agoPost 1
Zman

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Florida

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Just for the record, I would like an opportunity to set the record straight since my name was brought up in a recent thread without my knowledge.
I have had a gas helicopter of some sort since the mid 1990’s so I have some experience on how to tune these engines and helis. I have have owned various stock and modified gas engines. I even had one in my helicopter at last IRCHA.

With that said, a few months ago (before the real $hit storm started), I offered Justin to see if anything was wrong with his motor and see if I could tune it to be vibration free. The only conditions of my offer were:

1) I wouldn’t in any shape or form be included in any bs drama on forums for doing this

2) I would not accept any compensation whether successful or not with his engine

To sum it up, I try hard to keep out of the drama and not take sides on anything. I just knew that I had experience with modified engines and thought I could help. I also truly like helping people if I can. When I got the engine, I dropped the current engine in my gasser and remounted this one. I took it out to field and after a few needle tweaks I had it running pretty smooth on my fbl gasser. I took a video of it hovering smoothly so Justin and whoever else interested could see it certainly wasn’t shaking my heli apart and the engine was running nicely. Once satisfied, I pulled the engine back out and reinstalled the one that was in it. When Justin sent me the engine, he also sent me a used stock 231 that needed a rebuild that I offered to do at same time.

I reported this back to Justin and was ready to send it back to him along with rebuilt 231. He decided he still didn’t want motor for whatever reasons he had (again, I don’t get into this stuff) and told me he wanted to sell it and if I would hang onto it until he sold it to not have to ship twice. I said no problem. After a few weeks, the idea of selling it with the parts required to bolt right into a radikal 30 came up and I told him I would leave it with parts on it and if he did sell it like this, instead of him paying me for parts, I would just keep the stock 231 that I rebuilt since he only had 120 bucks or something in it before the parts I purchased for it to rebuild it. I also informed him that in my opinion, the only way it would sell is on ebay or similar simply due to the “history” of this engine on rr.

Well obviously, engine has not sold and I woke up this morning to find my name was included in a post on this engine in a thread now closed down so I couldn’t set record straight there. I never asked for this said engine and even though it runs just fine, I simply don’t have a need for it, I have too many gassers as it is. So the idea of donating it to me was without my knowledge and if I had seen post before it was closed, I would have relayed this. AGAIN, I simply was trying to help a guy get his engine running smoothly, which I did.

Thanks for listening,

Z

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05-11-2011 04:55 PM  7 years agoPost 2
spiderco

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Henderson, Nevada

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I've read a lot of JS post on this forum and I've been entertained. Unfortunately anything associated with JS becomes a soap opera box. Even after you asked him to leave your name out of it in return for tuning his motor, he elected to ignore your request. Anyone that researches his posts can see what kind of person JS is ie. inappropriate comments followed by an edit, useless posts to bring his count up, so on and so on.

Zman you're a better man than me for helping him out. Kudos to you.

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05-11-2011 06:08 PM  7 years agoPost 3
C.A.P.

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Zman, Mike your name was never in question or you that you are an honest man, and I don’t think anyone else thinks otherwise.
The person you tried to help. He can only dream of your creditability. or even the meaning of creditability,

Wally
(Affiliation) RC-Aftermarket (Engine Modifier & Engine Designer)

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05-12-2011 12:22 AM  7 years agoPost 4
payne1967

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uk

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zman
having read some of js's posts most will have taken what he wrote with a pinch of salt

and i agree on the entertainment has gone
but the ones you have to feel sorry for are the persons he was ranting about
i never replied to any of his posts as i knew if i did i would of got banned from rr

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05-12-2011 01:32 AM  7 years agoPost 5
KopterKat

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New Jersey

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I guess I should set the record straight. I don't want this motor in my possession because I feel it is evil. It was created by an evil man and it has a lot of evil demons inside of it. It has brought me nothing but suffering and sadness since it came into my life. I really feel it belongs at the bottom of the ocean along with the body of Osama Bin Laden, but before I have my friend toss it off the Florida coast, I want to at least try and see if there is anyone out there who doesn't have a lot of money who might be able to get some joy out of it. I really don't want to inflict this motor's demons on anyone else, but I hate to put something to waste which might have some value to someone even if it is cursed. I'm thinking maybe some nice old man would be able to have this evil motor in his home without suffering any ill effects. But it is hard to say. But let me know if you know anyone who is deserving. I will send them the motor for free. Hopefully the curse that the motor brings with it will not effect them.
Of all the nutty things he's posted this pretty much says it all.
Zman the record has always been straight.


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05-12-2011 02:53 AM  7 years agoPost 6
smallplanes

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Spectra G 26cc
Jewel
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Trex 700<br

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05-12-2011 04:20 AM  7 years agoPost 7
petmotel

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DeKalb, IL.

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I don't read in the gasser section much, but was curious about JS being banned.

It pains me to see Mr.Stuart getting flamed here. He is a considerate, thoughtful, respectful, gentleman in every post which I've ever seen him respond to.

Based on his history here on RR, this situation must certainly be one that has caused him a considerable amount of grief, right, or wrong.

I think Justin is a man of strong convictions, and highly principled moral values. I'm just saying be thoughtful before you post negatively about someone I'm sure in reality is a good guy.

Although this is a wonderful hobby, there are times it can become excruciatingly frustrating. Have you ever chased a problem that just doesn't seem to have a logical answer? I know that on at least a few occassions I've had to put a heli away for a while to keep from smashing it to bits.

Walk a mile my friends, walk a mile in his shoes. If that doesn't work, just take the high road.

Jay

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05-12-2011 05:26 AM  7 years agoPost 8
GREYEAGLE

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Flat Land's

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I Agree but - Can't speak for the Rest
I wonder if we can build a bird by Proxy ??? Theirs some thing elementary overlooked - I think its the paddle alignment or fly bar has shifted even a mil will do it.

I'm Sure he is examining that he is more than a few problem's and dust that's been stirred up. We know it also. Just has a bit of a communication issue.

I Miss Him

I'm IN - Let's see if the Time Out is Over or if he can get off the chair.

Dear Mr. Moderator : " Can Justen come out and Play ???

Let's try this again :

He is deserving ! He's Earning it the Hard Way - a Hungry Student with great armor !

Let the Heavenly Father /

Hear his voice/ Justin has desire and hunger of the ether of rotary wing.

Let Justin have success with the silver wing's of the rotating blades.

Look over him / feed him knowledge & experience & patient's

DO not let Justin loose his way or become discouraged.

Let him know we are in support but yet teaching in our own special way for he is a bit of a challenge. But he does have good armor !

Let him know that in the achient year's of gasser's , his experience's were common to all.

We all will look over him with tutorship so that he will obtain his silver wing's.

AMen : To the Lord of Glory

greyeagle

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05-13-2011 04:19 AM  7 years agoPost 9
Against Gravity

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Pottstown PA

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Sweet Relief !
Petmole, You have know idea of the drama that JS has caused. You will never be able to back track to find out. Covering his tracks is one of his most famous moves on here.
There is a calm in the air knowing he is "Corked". I hope it stays this way.

AG

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05-13-2011 04:26 AM  7 years agoPost 10
Gearhead

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I think I can say that we all have owned things at times that we just come to dislike and not want them any more, anyone want to buy a Compass Sport with only 4 flights on it, cause I have one I want to unload $120 shipped

Jim
Buzz Buzz Buzz

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05-13-2011 04:28 AM  7 years agoPost 11
Gearhead

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sorry, but most the drama I saw was not from Justin

Jim
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05-13-2011 04:34 AM  7 years agoPost 12
Against Gravity

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Drama
Well Gearhead, You know what they say about opinions......

AG

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05-13-2011 04:39 AM  7 years agoPost 13
Gearhead

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Jim
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05-13-2011 05:18 AM  7 years agoPost 14
smallplanes

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People have opinions and they should not be run down on accont of them expressing it. We have all been wrong at somepoint in our lives. Justin likes to talk there's know need to run a fellow RR guy down. Can't we just all get along? Happy flying.

Thanks
SP


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05-13-2011 03:01 PM  7 years agoPost 15
Frank Bostwick

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Cincinnati Ohio

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+1 to gearheads comments.
Justin or not the gasser guys always seem to have some overly DRAMATIC going on. Its a real drag to that part of the hobby

LET JUSTIN BACK or ban the rest of em too.

RIP ROMAN

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05-13-2011 03:59 PM  7 years agoPost 16
woody37

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McAllen, Texas

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Justin should have been scratched some time back! It seems that everyone on this gasser forum (including myself) was willing to help him through his building, engine and tuning troubles. Zman helped him and is setting the record strait through this post. Justin ignored everyone's advice (including Wally's offer to buy the modified engine back) and did his own thing.

This is a severe case of "The skunk can't see his own tail"

The question that I have is if Zman can get Justin's engine to perform and run smoothly, why doesn't Justin put it back on and fly? Why make a bigger issue of a good running engine? Justin declines to answer my question because I am on his "Ignore" list. All I ever tried to do was help this poor lad!
sorry, but most the drama I saw was not from Justin
Obviously those who comment on Justin's positive behaviors or posts have never tried helping him. If you did, how did you get through to him? Reading Justin's post would make a "shrink" go nuts....

It is true that other drama exists.....

Have a nice day!

Woody

A bad day of flying or fishin is better than a good day at work!

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05-13-2011 04:42 PM  7 years agoPost 17
Carey Shurley

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Orlando, FL - USA

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gasser guys always seem to have some overly DRAMATIC going on. Its a real drag to that part of the hobby
this perception is what worries more than any of the technical issues discussed here real or not. The technical issues can be addressed, all the drama is doing real damage to the potential for more converts.

Proprietor - Gas Powered Helicopters

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05-13-2011 04:49 PM  7 years agoPost 18
Frank Bostwick

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Cincinnati Ohio

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Not to be overly dramatic myself but I know the drama here has kept me out of this segment of the hobby. Too much good stuff to have to wade thru all this crap. But thats just me

RIP ROMAN

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05-13-2011 04:54 PM  7 years agoPost 19
oldfart

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Vancouver, Canada

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gasser guys always seem to have some overly DRAMATIC going on. Its a real drag to that part of the hobby
this perception is what worries more than any of the technical issues discussed here real or not. The technical issues can be addressed, all the drama is doing real damage to the potential for more converts.
Well said Carey.

As one who flies a lot of nitro, electric and gasser helis, and who monitors & participates in many forums on each. I fear that Carey has hit one of the nails on the head for sure.

And the guilt has to be shared my many.

The brand rivalry & bashing (be it motors or helis) became so toxic in this forum in the past, that it has chased many of us to other more friendly forums. As a Predator and Radikal flyer, because of this, I have found that most of us have moved to the Century forums here and on other sites.

Personally, I now happily spend most of my time in other places.

As for Zman, he may be ugly , but he is a true gentleman who has been a gasser fanatic for more years then I can remember. Not only does he know his stuff, but he is always willing to roll up his sleeves and help any who need it, without ever looking for any kudos.

Phil

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05-13-2011 06:17 PM  7 years agoPost 20
marco

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Santa Rosa , Ca - USA

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The question that I have is if Zman can get Justin's engine to perform and run smoothly, why doesn't Justin put it back on and fly?
Totally agree .

Some "deserving" fellow is going to get a perfectly good running engine for free .

BTW, it wasn't me.

-Marc

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