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05-10-2011 03:01 PM  7 years agoPost 1
Rogman88

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Mid-collective can be elusive sometimes during transitions and if the stick is not completely center a move can look like feces. Simple case in point is axial rolls, but what frustrated me during yesterday's flights was a move were I slide the heli nose in all the way to my right and then 1/4 roll the heli while feeding in positive so that the heli climbs on knife edge about 100 feet. At the top, I nose down sending the knife edged heli into a death spiral on the way down and exit the bottom, nose in sliding back to the left. I found my collective to still be slightly positive during the death spirals, causing a cork screw effect. Looked terrible.

I'm wondering if there is some way to put a notch on the gimble similar to the planker throttle notched gimble that would give a subtle feel at mid stick.

I guess I will just practice more and be more conscientious about mid stick. It's just hard to find on a death spiral.

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05-10-2011 03:30 PM  7 years agoPost 2
MinAirUSA

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You can also modify your pitch curve so that "mid stick" or 0 degrees is a wider area.

Miniature Aircraft

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05-10-2011 03:42 PM  7 years agoPost 3
Heli-on

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You can insert a magnet in the plastic portion of the gimble and epoxy another to the metal arm that it rides against. Works pretty decent. Makes a slight tug at center. The only drawback is having to run the collective extremely loose to be able to feel the resistance at center stick. Works great for 0-pitch moves like knife edge drops and rolls.

For insertion into the gimbal, I drilled a slightly smaller pilot hole, then heated the magnet with a soldering iron to countersink it into the plastic. Make sure you have dead center located before drilling the hole.

You can pick up tiny neodymium magnets here: http://www.rcdude.com/servlet/the-A...nets/Categories

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05-10-2011 03:52 PM  7 years agoPost 4
MartyH

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I think this is where practice comes in. Don't get too caught up in where the mid-stick technically is. With practice you start to get a feel for mid-stick by watching your manuever and "feeling" the input you have to give the transmitter to make it happen cleanly.

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05-10-2011 04:05 PM  7 years agoPost 5
Rogman88

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With practice you start to get a feel for mid-stick by watching your manuever and "feeling" the input you have to give the transmitter to make it happen cleanly.
Yes this is the right way to do it. My problem on the knife edge spirals is that the heli was drifting but during the spiral it was difficult to tell if it was drifting due to being slightly positive or slightly negative...

A subtle cue that I could feel on the collective stick may help me find it quicker while learning the feel of mid stick. Things happen during heli moves so quickly that I really do just need to keep practicing just going to mid stick without thinking about it. I remember learning "pop and lock" flips, having to quickly find center which is actuall slightly off center depending on the heli being right side up or upside down. It took a while but have it down fairly well. Now this sustained midstick stuff is frustrating at the moment.

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05-10-2011 04:46 PM  7 years agoPost 6
psych-lick

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if you are using a 11X transmitter - you can program it to beep at mid stick. I have the beep on a switch so I can turn it off when it gets annoying.

-Jeff T.

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05-10-2011 04:52 PM  7 years agoPost 7
Wingman77

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In order to truly master the maneuver and make it look good every time you just have to practice and practice until you can feel it. when I go up for a spiral of any kind it normally takes me about 1/8 of a elevator/aileron turn to find center collective, just watch the heli and make constant corrections.

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05-10-2011 04:53 PM  7 years agoPost 8
sharam

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As someone said, the best way is practice and more practice!

The other reason your roll may not be axial is that while you think you are going straight, your tail may be off to one side a bit in relation to your direction of travel. Now, even at midstick, your roll will look off.

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05-10-2011 06:12 PM  7 years agoPost 9
jsenicka

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Mid-collective can be elusive sometimes during transitions and if the stick is not completely center a move can look like feces.
You must do mighty battle with the feces!

Practice is the only solution

Jim Senicka
Team Manager, GrandRC Flight Team

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05-10-2011 08:56 PM  7 years agoPost 10
Jeff polisena

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If you modify your tx in any way you only create another crutch, PRACTICE on the same setups will get you there .It can be frustrating but it will get better as you go.

I stole it ,flew it and gave it back ;)

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05-10-2011 09:20 PM  7 years agoPost 11
Sam2b

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Imagine how a trombone musician finds each note. We have it easy compared to them with just one point.

_Sam B_

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05-10-2011 09:46 PM  7 years agoPost 12
Gyronut

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Its just a matter of practice to generate some muscle memory....

Rick

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05-10-2011 10:01 PM  7 years agoPost 13
BladeStrikes

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I gotta say it Rog and you asked for it .
Mid-collective can be elusive sometimes during transitions and if the stick is not completely center a move can look like feces.
A nitro will help you with that ^^ haha.

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05-11-2011 12:02 AM  7 years agoPost 14
Rogman88

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A nitro will help you with that ^
Yep I guess I did...LoL!

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05-11-2011 12:07 AM  7 years agoPost 15
Jeff polisena

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On the nitro note !! You will learn better collective management with nitro sue to fuel process and clutch

I stole it ,flew it and gave it back ;)

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05-11-2011 12:18 AM  7 years agoPost 16
heli-cuzz

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I read in a thread over at HF about a year ago. A member modified the collective stick to have a detent at 0 pitch so you'll feel it click at center stick.
Seems like a great idea and sure it works well, but I say nitro and more practice.
+1 @ Lon.

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05-11-2011 12:56 AM  7 years agoPost 17
drdot

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fwiw...
Rogman88...

I think you have discovered the cause of "Brownouts"....

John.

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05-11-2011 01:46 AM  7 years agoPost 18
JimmyC

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Gaithersburg, Maryland USA

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If the wind is blowing, mid stick means nothing. Fly what you see. Practice and burn fuel. The most important thing is to be relaxed and not nervous. I'm working on that more than anything .

JimmyC

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05-11-2011 02:04 AM  7 years agoPost 19
Rogman88

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If the wind is blowing, mid stick means nothing.
The wind was blowing rather briskly. Perhaps that's why the death spirals looked worse than usual. Ok, I'll blame it on the wind. Thanks!

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05-11-2011 03:11 AM  7 years agoPost 20
McKrackin

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Lucasville,Ohio

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Could be a lot of things.

I got a 450 today.Yup I gots me an electric heli now

Anywho....Hurricanes are so much nicer on the 450.
My 700 screws itself into the sky higher and higher.

I know why.
The 700 scares the sh!t outta me coming at me WOT and knife edged
It does the first 240 degrees perfect and starts skyward in turn four.lol....

Anyway...practice more and go nitro

I literally never use the word literally right.

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