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05-09-2011 11:38 PM  7 years agoPost 1
rcnut

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Yesterday I headed out to test out my Trex 700. It was a bit windy, but that didn't even bother my 700. I converted my 700 to flybarless just after IRCHA last year, by installing a Total-G with the RJX head (sweet combo). Previous conversations with Nick Maxwell about flying FBL proved right. Nick mentioned keeping at least one heli with a flybar and to fly it often.

Well I haven't flown my one and only flybared heli that much, my Aurora. It wasn't until the 700 decided to chuck-off one of the tail blades. The bolt that holds the tail blade assembly to the hub broke off flush with the hub (Great!... Good luck with getting that out!).

So now I started flying the Aurora. WOW, what a difference! First I noticed the cyclic's are very slow, the tail was "dragging", needing lots of stick input to get it to move. However, the collective "pop" is still there, and with a little radio tuning (basically updating the radio settings) my Aurora is close to my FBL helis...feel wise.

It is easy to tell my Aurora has a flybar due to the wind blowing it around during maneuvers. I forgot I had to compensate for the wind. So the first couple of flights were a challenge. I couldn't believe how much the FBL system really helps my flying in the wind. I realized how spoiled I had become.

Now I need to buy another Rave, but with a flybar! Flying FBL helis is really relaxing and helps to concentrate on learning new maneuver. Relaxing by taking out some of the compensation needed like with the wind.

But nonetheless, I've become a flybarless junky and loving every minute of it!

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05-15-2011 11:46 PM  7 years agoPost 2
tracker640

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RC Nut,
I have been flying my FBL ENV now for a few months but kept the flybar on my Hirobo. I usually fly three or more tanks on the Hirobo first before flying the Rave. So, I won't forget how to fly. I agree with Nick, you need to keep at least 1 flybarred machine. If not you get use to the flight controller making corrections for you. Skills will dimenish.

vince

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05-16-2011 02:14 AM  7 years agoPost 3
Zaneman007

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I am going to have to disagree
Although I have exprienced exactly what you guys are talking about, I am going to convert my other 600N to flybarless.

Reason, you guys answered that already.

We could all go back to flying helis before they had gyros, but why.

A flybarless heli properly set up is more stable and more agile, all in one. With a flybarless system, you have to compromise. Why not get the best of both worlds.

Went to a fun fly this weekend. I would guess that 60% of the machines were FBL, as compared to 10% one year ago.

My figures could be wrong, regardless I'm seeing a trend.

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05-16-2011 04:20 PM  7 years agoPost 4
rcnut

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Zaneman007,
Went to a fun fly this weekend. I would guess that 60% of the machines were FBL, as compared to 10% one year ago.
I agree with you 100%! FBL is the latest craze right now and why not convert to FBL. There are definitely many advantages to converting over to FBL. I converted 2 helis, but not all of my fleet. And that is what this hobby has to offer everyone, the ability to customize your heli to your likes.

As I had stated above, I noticed a big difference switching over to a fly-bared system, once both FBL helis were out of order (wrecked). So it was just an observation as to the effects of FBL verses fly-bared…and possibly if what I was hearing from others was accurate. But don’t get me wrong, I can still fly a fly-bared heli, it’s just a totally different feel and I was all over the place while trying to back into the swing of things.

tracker640,

I agree with you as well. I will keep at least one heli with a flybar, just to keep in touch with my skills. I like your idea of practicing on the fly-bared first, then the FBL. I do like my Aurora, but would like to get another Rave (fly-bared). I like the way it feels better than my Aurora.

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05-19-2011 08:04 PM  7 years agoPost 5
tracker640

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Another reason I am keeping the flybarred machine is so that whenever someone asks for help on a machine that is not flybarless you won't have to get back use to flying it because you have been flying the flybarless machine exclusively. All in all it is a matter of personal preference.

--"Flying is for The Birds"--
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05-20-2011 12:15 PM  7 years agoPost 6
rcnut

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Yep...its like going back to flying fix pitch helis. A very weird feeling, but in short time you will remember how to compensate.

I am restoring a GMP Cricket. It should be fun remembering how to fly it...this was my first heli, and I learned how to fly it without a gyro (took a long time).

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