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04-30-2011 12:31 AM  10 years ago
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AltecLansing

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Align vs Outrage
I'm sure there has been a debate on this before, but now that the helis have been out a while, I'd like to know from people who have flown both as to which they think is better and why. Please include any align and any outrage heli you have flown.
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04-30-2011 12:39 AM  10 years ago
STR8HUCKIN

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I have flown all of the align helis. I have flown the outrage 550.

Every align heli I have flown did so very well out of the box, except the original 250.

The Outrage 550 however was a NIGHTMARE. But when I did finaaly order a new belt, then another new belt because the first one was wrong, then new main gears, then new belt pulley, then it was a great machine.

It was very frustrating spending all that money and getting the 550 built only to have major problems and have to wait for a new belt, which they couldn't seem to figure out so a rash of odd belts were going around with no way to tell if you had the right one. It was a freaking joke and was poorly handled.
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04-30-2011 02:22 AM  10 years ago
Eury

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I agree, the Outrage 550 had some issues, compared to Align, no contest. It flew great with a much better head than Align uses, but aside from the head the design and parts quality left much to be desired. I'm not saying Align is awesome, it's just Ok, but the Align stuff is much better than the 550.

Does that translate to the newer stuff? I dunno, but I've considered numerous Outrage helis since then, and a quick perusal of their forums always tells me to stay away. there are posts after posts about parts failures, missing parts, and multiple revisions of trouble areas before the issues are resolved. Not too different from Align, actually, but Align seems to fix stuff on the first try and have less issues out of the box.
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04-30-2011 04:16 AM  10 years ago
BladeStrikes

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Ive owned and flown the crap out of the Outrage Velocity 50 and Trex 600N..The Velocity 50 fly's lighter and a tad bit cheaper to fix but nothing to write about.If the Velocity 50 had quality head part's,it would be a heli of choice for me but I got sick of the metal part's that bend and strip way to easy.Im talking about the thread's,not the allen hole.Had a few light crashes about 5ft from the ground and one tip over that bent the blade grim's on the blade grip's or snapped them right off.Everytime one broke off,it flung off along with the mixing arm and link's attached to it..The Velocity has too many head part's that bend easy on top of the thread's in the tail case that stripped out when changing TT gear's.2 year's of flying Trex 600's and never had issue's like the Velocity that I owned for 2 month's,was not a happy camper at all..
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04-30-2011 04:18 AM  10 years ago
Wingman77

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outrage has some terrible quality issues...
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04-30-2011 04:51 AM  10 years ago
willanyone1

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algin all the way.
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04-30-2011 10:01 AM  10 years ago
OLROY

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Align 250fbl,450fbl,500fbl,550fbl umm yeah ALIGN
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04-30-2011 11:06 AM  10 years ago
ecko' unlimited

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Outrage v50 1yr and a half no problems ,v90 thats another story but both r cheap to repair soim keeping them they fly good enough for me.goin fbl on both soon.and buyin the fusion 50 to convert it into a fusion 90outrage velocity 53n-
* outrage velocity 90n >
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04-30-2011 03:52 PM  10 years ago
AltecLansing

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I'm flying a flybarless velocity 50 now. Love it. My outrage 550 also performs well for me. My trex 500 flew very well until I put it in a fuse.

I was thinking more people would chime in here.
Man, I miss the eighties.
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05-01-2011 12:05 AM  10 years ago
yannick

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I have now a fusion 50. The raw material quality is same as align but the design is slightly different, more optimised to be lighter on the fusion. the result is the fusion is lighter but more fragile in my opinion than a T600 E for example.

I am more impressed by the design of the Fusion than by the components quality (soft aluminium, frame not made of carbon only but made of carbon/fiberglass/carbon sandwich).

Having said that, the Fusion is flying great and I had no issue with it.
Is it me or this time the ground was higher than last time??
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05-01-2011 02:07 AM  10 years ago
smallplanes

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So what are you saying? Is the Trex the over all better heli other than the MA?

Thanks
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05-01-2011 02:23 AM  10 years ago
Rob43

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I have "apples and oranges" to compare. An Align 600 Nitro LE, and an Outrage 550. My Outrage has been a joy to own and fly. I think I've been more fortunate than most, never really crashing it. I think my one observation between the two companies offerings is that Align seems to refine their helis a bit with time. I've never seen any refinements available to correct problematic issues. They had lousy gears for the 550, notorious for stripping, but they never offered a bolt-on upgrade. They never cured the lousy elevator control shaft which ALMOST buried my machine. I just take great care to make sure it stays together. It flies great. The Align helis aren't a great deal better, but build very well, and even though they might come out with problems, refinements are eventually offered. Of course, they are a bigger company and have earned market share to help spread their development costs. They tend to be very cost competitive as well. I think they are great for the weekend flier, at least has been for me. I can see my 600 doesn't fly as precisely as other machines I've owned and flown, but overall, I think they are a great value. They probably also inspire alot of other companies to come up with something better at times.

Best wishes,
Rob
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05-01-2011 04:47 AM  10 years ago
yannick

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So what are you saying? Is the Trex the over all better heli other than the MA?
Not at all, I am just saying that:

- Outrage FUSION 50's design is better than the Align 600 or 550(this is what we compare, not with any other brands). The basic design, layout and setup flexibility is way better (in my opinion). It is also much lighter so in that respect it is outperforming the Align.
- Outrage part quality is (once again in my opinion) at the same level as Align ones, not better, not worst.

Now, because the design is optimised to make it lighter, and because the quality of the elements is not better than align, the Fusion 50 is performing much better than the align 600 but it is much more fragile (not in flight but in case of hard landing or crash, the Fusion will suffer more).

I bought a Fusion because I considered that I would accept the relative fragility as the other characteristics were more adapted to my needs. This is not valid for others having different expectations...

Now to be honnest, I have 2 friend who have ordered their first Helis (beginners) and I advised them to go for Trex 550 as this is much more robust and adapted to the bad treatment from a beginner.

These comments are only valid for the electrics. Now that I have experience with Outrage, I will personnaly not go Outrage for a nitro as I do not believe they would handle the vibration well in the time.

Yannick
Is it me or this time the ground was higher than last time??
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05-01-2011 04:54 AM  10 years ago
Thatlumox

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I've had an Align 500E, 600N, 600E and 700E as well as an Outrage Velocity 50 and 550E.

I still have my Align 500E, 600E and 700E and 600N.
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