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04-24-2011 12:20 AM  7 years agoPost 1
Scott1115

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Greenwich, CT

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I just went FBL with a Vbar 5.1 on a Trex 600. I tested the set-up with a basic hover about 3 feet off the ground in a very very tight area. So I did not really have room to "test' it. First thing I did realize was that I was making cyclic corrections taking off and landing and it was then correcting for me. I definitely need to add more expo, but aside from that here is my question.

When taking off and landing, should I basically be "hands off" the cyclic for the first two feet from the ground?

Thanks for your help, in advance.

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04-24-2011 12:33 AM  7 years agoPost 2
wrongler

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Brewerton, New York

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Just lift it straight up with very little input to anything else.

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04-24-2011 12:34 AM  7 years agoPost 3
TrevJonez

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St.George, Utah - USA

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when i first started flying FBL i was very paranoid of the take offs and landings due to the different feel and motions of it.

having that said. i end every flight in an auto or at least hit throttle hold just before touch down.

on take off don't touch cyclic unless you absolutely have too. once your off the ground at all you should be able to do whatever you want.

once you get used to it you wont even think about it.

i taxi my 450 pro out all the time and the FBL actually makes it easy because it will hold the angle in my rotor disk for me, to some extent.

Who cares... its just money...

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04-24-2011 01:52 AM  7 years agoPost 4
S.Dykes

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Wesley Chapel, FL - USA

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You dont need to be hands off while/before lifting off with vbar, at least i dont. You just need to be careful of how big your inputs are.
Same with autos, just dont over drive the sticks.

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04-24-2011 02:01 AM  7 years agoPost 5
Ronald Thomas

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Just don't over do the inputs and you will be good

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04-30-2011 02:13 AM  7 years agoPost 6
HeliRush27

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When I first started flying VBar everyone gave the same fear factor advice "don't touch the right stick on take off" so I was almost terrified to fly it once I got the heli ready.

Then one of the guys at the field that flew flybarless told me " just fly the helicopter like you normally do. Make takes off a smooth motion and you'll have no problems". That is what I did and I've never had a problem.

I use the governor in my Jive 80 so until I'm up to speed I keep some negative into the head, once the head speed is locked I just add some collective and fly normal, rarely does the heli need any cyclic input.

Don't listen to horror stories just fly the helicopter, it will tell you what it needs.

Can't, means "Don't want to"

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04-30-2011 05:43 AM  7 years agoPost 7
Kevin Feil

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Newnan, Georgia, USA

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V-bar Take off & Landing
Hey Guys,

I agree with My brother Ron, When I first started flying V-Bar I honestly didn't think about take offs and landings, I was more worried or nervous about the actual Flight. Well I never had a issue till "Thumpernator" (New Wave Dave) and "VNDRAGONE" (Vic) were at out little spot called the Pit. Well I spooled up My Synergy N9, now Based on what everyone says, I was flying a Mint set of 710mm CYSB on this and did what I normally do. (just fly) and right before lift off Dave Mentions to Vic that you have to just take off and not work the Cyclic. Well I say as she starts to PUR "I never had a issue with that!!" WELL YOU GUESSED IT" I roll in a bit more Collective and My usual Very Very Tiny Input on the Cyclic (stir the stick) like I always do and BOOM. It was like slow motion. She rolled Left and Blew the ever loving Crap out of those blades.Luckily she stayed upright. Of course it was on asphalt. All I could do is hit throttle hold and Looked at Dave and said (REALY). Only talk about Positive things.lol LOL lol. I could only laugh.
Well my point is this. My helis are set up on the Most Aggresive Mode. And that was the first flight on the N9 in that mode.
If you fly the V-Bar in this Extreme mode you better not stir the Sticks.. Just take off and then Fly.
Which Brings me to my next point. In order to do that You better have a PERFECTLY LEVELED SWASH. I mean Level. I sat there and told Thumper," Dude I got this, I leveled it looking at it, I have Perfect Vision." I WAS WRONG!!!. Use a SWASH leveling tool. It would of saved me a few Bills.lol. Just My Take on Tips upon take off. You guys have fun. As for Me? HOLLYWOOD has left the building!! I'm going back to Set up School. Thumpernator School that is"

Cheers,
Kevin

" hollywood3160 "Team Synergy Factory Specialist, Team Futaba,Morgan Fuels, FBL RotorsUnlimited

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04-30-2011 06:10 AM  7 years agoPost 8
Thumpernator

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Senoia, Georgia, USA

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Hollywood, I think you have a couple of things crossed up. Setting up your VBar without a swash leveler had nothing to do with your mishap.

I said there's no way you can just eyeball a level swash during the setup.

Dave
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04-30-2011 06:14 AM  7 years agoPost 9
Thumpernator

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Senoia, Georgia, USA

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I forgot to add.
I'm finding what MikeHunt (great member name, BTW),HeliRush and LaughingStill said above is accurate.

Dave
I keep on thinking, but nothing's happening. Knuk, Knuk, Knuk

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04-30-2011 04:22 PM  7 years agoPost 10
Patriek

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EHTX

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Vbar take off & landing
I totally agree with HeliRush27

Since I am flying scale, I didn't want to "pop it into the air", as that would look stupid on a scaler. Here is a short video of one of the first flights, you can see the take off & landing:

Watch at YouTube

You can see I don't need to "pop" it into a hover.
When landing, just make sure that on touch down it has both skids level on the ground, then apply some neg pitch and you're good

As HeliRush27 stated; the heli will tell you what it needs. Just make sure you don't use large corrections like on a FB bird - small is good enough. You will be fine. After my maiden and the first flights I thought "what were those horror stories about??"

Happy flying!!

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05-01-2011 04:55 AM  7 years agoPost 11
Kevin Feil

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Newnan, Georgia, USA

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THUMPER
HEY BRO,

Wasn't saying that an unlevel swash caused my mishap, The fact that it was my first flight with it in the most aggressive mode and no expo is what led to my mishap. I am use to stirring the sticks and did like I always do and the fact that the reaction time of the swash quadrupled, I was not anticipating it. I'm blessed with the ability to have Total Recall and I know exactly what i did and where my fingers were at.I had left Aileron Input, I Clearly Over Did It. It was just Humorous to me that when I did it you had just mentioned it to Vic. My fault totally. As far as the comment of the swash not being level, That was in regards to when you went back to check Vic's swash after he and I set it up. I eyeballed it, Y'all used a swash leveler. Also in regards to how crucial it is that it is leveled and rigged correctly. Something mine wasn't. That's where that comment came from. Hopefully this clears this up. I in a nut shell I Busted on my self and admitted my ignorance.. I have no problem admitting that of course. Further more it was a compliment to you. I was the first to fly it yet your teaching me. LOL Never to old to learn.. Like I said before I look forward to going to your School.LOL

Cheers,

Kevin

" hollywood3160 "Team Synergy Factory Specialist, Team Futaba,Morgan Fuels, FBL RotorsUnlimited

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05-01-2011 12:58 PM  7 years agoPost 12
Kevin Feil

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V-BAR
Also don't want my statement to come off as if there is Something up between Tumper and I. just a friendly explanation of what I meant.

Cheers,

Kevin

" hollywood3160 "Team Synergy Factory Specialist, Team Futaba,Morgan Fuels, FBL RotorsUnlimited

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05-01-2011 01:05 PM  7 years agoPost 13
Steff Giguere

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St-Eustache, Quebec, Canada

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Guys after flying FBL for maybe 2 months I take off and land as slowly or fast as I want. Once you are used to the FBL feel you do what YOU want the way YOU want to. The FBL system is there to help you not the hinder you. Will try to get a vid today to show you.

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05-01-2011 01:14 PM  7 years agoPost 14
Kevin Feil

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Newnan, Georgia, USA

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V-Bar
I totally agree 100% with staff. After I set my N9 a bit more Calm I had no issue at all. Back to feeling Fluid and not thinking about it. I fly it in regards to Take off and Landings just as I do my Fly-bared Helis. Especially my T6FBL. That's a fun ship when the Servos Don't go out on you in Flight. lol.. Tends to make things a bit Interesting.

Best,

Kevin

" hollywood3160 "Team Synergy Factory Specialist, Team Futaba,Morgan Fuels, FBL RotorsUnlimited

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