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04-22-2011 04:36 AM  7 years agoPost 1
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The American Dream
April 21, 2011

Do you know people that still believe that America is a free country? Do you have friends or family that are proud to live in “the land of the free and the home of the brave”? If you do, just show them this article. The things that you are about to read are enough to make the blood of any red-blooded American boil. We don’t live in a free country anymore. Instead, we live in a “Big Brother” police state control grid that is becoming more restrictive every single day. Most of our politicians seem to be control freaks that are obsessed with running every single little detail of our lives. These days there has to be a “rule” or a “regulation” for everything. The radical social engineers in the Soviet Union, Nazi Germany and communist China never even dared to try some of the things that are going on in America today. We are all being treated little better than cattle and we are all being taught that it is best to just sit in our homes and absorb all of the television “programming” that is being provided for us. Meanwhile, our public schools have become little more than prison grids. Our children are being taught to enjoy living as docile slaves in a world where imagination, liberty, freedom and adventure are all greatly discouraged.

Unfortunately, none of this is an exaggeration. Our politicians love to give speeches about “liberty” and “freedom”, but they always seem to have excuses to justify the endless parade of liberty-killing laws that they are imposing on all the rest of us.

Almost all of the freedoms listed in the Bill of Rights have been severely eroded. In fact, a number of them are almost totally gone at this point.

The things that you are about to read should make you mad. In fact, if none of these things make you mad there is a problem. Sadly, millions of Americans have actually embraced tyranny, and if you are not outraged by any of the items listed below than you are likely one of them.

The following are 10 examples that show that we no longer live in the land of the free and the home of the brave….

#1 According to the ACLU, state police in Michigan are using “extraction devices” to download data from the cellphones of motorists that they pull over. This is taking place even if those pulled over are not accused of doing anything wrong.

The following is how an article on CNET News describes the capabilities of these “extraction devices”….

The devices, sold by a company called Cellebrite, can download text messages, photos, video, and even GPS data from most brands of cell phones. The handheld machines have various interfaces to work with different models and can even bypass security passwords and access some information.

#2 In the state of New York, the Department of Health has designated wiffle ball, dodge ball, kick ball, freeze tag, red rover, frisbee tossing and tug of war as “risky recreational activities“. Any organization or program that allows kids to enjoy these games during the summer will now be subject to strict government regulation according to the New York Daily News….

Under the new rules, any program that offers two or more organized recreational activities – with at least one of them on the risky list – is deemed a summer camp and subject to state regulation.

#3 At one public school in the Chicago area, children have been banned from bringing their lunches from home. Yes, you read that correctly. Students at that particular school are absolutely prohibited from bringing lunches from home. Instead, it is mandatory that they eat the food that the school cafeteria serves.

#4 Would you like to have your face scanned and your ID recorded every time you attend a public event? Don’t laugh. The San Francisco Entertainment Commission is actually proposing a new rule which “would require all venues with an occupancy of over 100 people to record the faces of all patrons and employees and scan their ID’s for storage in a database which they must hand over to law enforcement on request.”

#5 In Delaware, police and state government officials recently tore a basketball hoop right out of a family’s front yard and carted it away because it was “too close” to the street. They even extracted the pole for the basketball hoop out of the ground and took that away too.

#6 In Missouri of all places, two young girls named Abigail and Caitlin Mills were recently taught a lesson on how to be good citizens in the emerging totalitarian control grid going up all over the United States. After a complaint from a neighbor, the city of Hazelwood cracked down on the two girls and told them that they must stop selling girl scout cookies in their own front yard.

#7 As I have written about previously, federal bureaucrats have outlawed the incandescent light bulbs that we all grew up with and will be forcing us to switch over to new CFL (compact fluorescent lamp) light bulbs that are more expensive and that are actually worse for the environment. One new study conducted by scientists in Germany has shown that the new CFL light bulbs that we are being forced to use contain poisonous carcinogens that are likely cause cancer. In fact, the German scientists say that these CFL bulbs should be “kept as far away as possible from the human environment”.

#8 Many states are aggressively seizing “unclaimed” safe deposit boxes and are selling off the contents and using the money to pay state government bills. In the state of California, they are now going after safe deposit boxes if the owners have had “no contact” with the bank for just 3 years. Other states are being nearly as aggressive. If you have a safe deposit box that you have not opened in a while you need to go check on it right away.

#9 One Mississippi state judge recently issued an order for state officials to gather and deliver to him the names of every single child that is being homeschooled in the state. The frightening thing is that the judge did this all on his own. Nobody requested this information and there is no case pending for which this information would be required.

#10 The TSA had promised that they were going to stop groping little children at airports, but apparently that is not the case. For example, one 6 year old little girl made headlines recently when a TSA worker touched all of her private areas before allowing her to get on an airplane. Her parents were forced to stand aside and watch this outrage take place.

So what do all of you think about this list?

Does anyone out there still believe that we live in the land of the free and the home of the brave?

...my handle backwards is how I feel about current world affairs...

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04-22-2011 04:52 AM  7 years agoPost 2
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fwiw..

I still remember the Sixties...The part about "America...Change it or burn it!"...'Bout that time....

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04-22-2011 09:57 AM  7 years agoPost 3
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"If we ever forget this America is One Nation Under God,
we will become a Nation Gone Under."

Ronald Reagan

Happy Easter.

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04-22-2011 10:34 AM  7 years agoPost 4
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"If we ever forget this America is One Nation Under God,
we will become a Nation Gone Under."

Ronald Reagan
I wouldn't be so sure. Take a look at the list of countries in which religion is set for extinction:

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/science-environment-12811197

and you'll find that most of them are ranked among the most stable countries in the world (bottom of the page):

http://www.fundforpeace.org/web/ind...=452&Itemid=900
Happy Easter.
Happy Easter. I love chocolate.

Dusty

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04-22-2011 01:29 PM  7 years agoPost 5
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The greatest trick Satin ever pulled was convincing man that he doesn't exisit!

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04-22-2011 04:26 PM  7 years agoPost 6
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I wouldn't be so sure. Take a look at the list of countries in which religion is set for extinction:
I would be interested to read more in depth about the study and what data was used. As well as what specific questions were asked on the census forms. Lack of religious affiliation, which is the word they kept using, doesn't necessarily equate to lack of religion. So it seems on the surface without more details that the researchers may be making a stretch in asserting the extinction of religion.

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04-22-2011 05:14 PM  7 years agoPost 7
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Lack of religious affiliation, which is the word they kept using, doesn't necessarily equate to lack of religion.
I agree with you on this statement, there are alot of places in this world where people will not publicly let others know what religion they follow due to persecution by others. If I am asked what is my religious beliefs I will normally tell people it is none of their business. My number one pet peeve is people pushing their religious beliefs on others.

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04-22-2011 05:19 PM  7 years agoPost 8
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“Big Brother” police state control grid that is becoming more restrictive every single day. Most of our politicians seem to be control freaks that are obsessed with running every single little detail of our lives.
But the politicians are quick to exempt themselves from the laws.

I think about the hereafter. I go somewhere to get something, then wonder what I'm here after ?

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04-22-2011 06:15 PM  7 years agoPost 9
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I would be interested to read more in depth about the study and what data was used.
The Scottish and Australian census forms only have one question on religion, which is voluntary. I assume that most countries census forms would be the same in this respect, for the results to be comparable. Here's the Australian version:
19 What is the person’s religion?
• Answering this question is OPTIONAL.
• For example, Salvation Army, Hinduism, Judaism or
Humanism.
• If no religion, mark last box.

Catholic
Anglican (Church of England)
Uniting Church
Presbyterian
Lutheran
Islam
Greek Orthodox
Baptist
Buddhism
No religion
Other - please specify
http://www.ausstats.abs.gov.au/auss..._Oct%202000.pdf

The Scottish census is very similar, and asks, ''What religion, religious denomination or body do you belong to?''

'Religious affiliation' would seem to be a general term for affiliated with a religion, or religious body, etc.
Dr Wiener continued: "In a large number of modern secular democracies, there's been a trend that folk are identifying themselves as non-affiliated with religion
From the study itself:
We present a new treatment of the competition for adherents between religious and
irreligious segments of modern secular societies and compile a new international data set tracking
the growth of religious non-aliation. Data suggest a particular case of our general growth law,
leading to clear predictions about possible future trends in society.
The tools of statistical mechanics and nonlinear dy-
namics have been used successfully in the past to ana-
lyze models of social phenomena ranging from language
choice [1] to political party aliation [2] to war [3] and
peace [4].
People claiming no religious aliation constitute the
fastest growing religious minority in many countries
throughout the world[11]. Americans without religious
aliation comprise the only religious group growing in
all 50 states;
http://arxiv.org/PS_cache/arxiv/pdf...1012.1375v2.pdf

So it would seem that the results of the survey must have been down to a significantly increasing trend in the proportion of people answering 'No religion'.

Religion in Europe seems to be changing from a deity based belief system into a cultural thing. For example, depending on which survey you look at, between around 50 - 70% of the population in the U.K. still identify themselves as Christians, but a Gallup poll from 2005, found that only 38% of the population believe in a God. ( A further 40% professed belief in 'a spirit or a life force,' whatever that is. )

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Religion_in_Europe

IMO, religion has the best chances of survival in countries such as the U.S. where it's kept separate from the state, so can adapt and evolve more readily, to be more in line with what people want in this day and age. The fact that it is state run throughout most of Europe has been cited as a major reason for it's rapid decline. As with industry, state run religions are inefficient, unattractive, and doomed to failure.

Dusty

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04-22-2011 06:19 PM  7 years agoPost 10
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If I am asked what is my religious beliefs I will normally tell people it is none of their business.
I reckon this is why religion questions on census forms tend to be voluntary. In the 2001 census in England and Wales, 7.7% of the population didn't answer the question.

http://www.statistics.gov.uk/census...s/ethnicity.asp

Dusty

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04-22-2011 08:06 PM  7 years agoPost 11
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That is pretty interesting but I can still see some flaws in the method of questioning. The question is religion, but the answers are more along the lines of religious affiliation and denomination. There are plenty of Christians in the world that don't associate themselves with a particular denomination or group but still believe in God. I think it definitely shows an interesting trend but not necessarily to the conclusion the authors are stating. And as with many other things involving human nature "religion" tends to follow social patterns that can be very much cyclical.

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04-22-2011 10:07 PM  7 years agoPost 12
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IMO, religion has the best chances of survival in countries such as the U.S. where it's kept separate from the state, so can adapt and evolve more readily, to be more in line with what people want in this day and age. The fact that it is state run throughout most of Europe has been cited as a major reason for it's rapid decline. As with industry, state run religions are inefficient, unattractive, and doomed to failure.

Dusty
I also think that this is true and that any decline is in the ranks of organized religion. People always will believe in God just as they did and do in places where religion is forbidden, like North Korea and the old Soviet Union.
The belief in God could be a strong or stronger than ever but the Churches are failing because of the failings of the men that run them.

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04-22-2011 10:32 PM  7 years agoPost 13
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Most of what is wrong in our country today is because all the test tube beliveing people are letting "The Science Wackos" take God out of everything including schools. They will continue to belive their is no God. Right up to the time when he kicks down their door, "so to speak" and says Do you know who I am?. It will be to late to cower under the couch then. They will still doubt his credentials when they find themselves somewhere they never dreamed of, and no AC to turn on.

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04-24-2011 11:13 PM  7 years agoPost 14
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The question is religion, but the answers are more along the lines of religious affiliation and denomination.
The Scottish census has 3 categories for Christians:

1) Church of Scotland (protestant)
2) Roman Catholic
3) Other Christian

I don't know how the question was put in any other country's census. Australia was the first one I found.

The wiki link in my previous post includes the results of a European poll from 2005 which asked, 'is there a God?'. The percentage of the populations who answered 'yes' ranged from 16% in Estonia, to 96% in Turkey.

While I'm sure that as you say, there will be many Christians throughout the world who believe in God but don't identify with a particular denomination, they would appear to be vastly outnumbered by the people who don't believe in a God but do identify with one of the denominations, if Europe is anything to go by. According to the 2001 U.K. census, 70% of the population identified themselves as Christians, but according to the European poll, the proportion of the population who answered 'yes' was only 38%. Comparative results in Sweden are 73% to 23%.

Apparently in Sweden, religion is supposed to be a cultural thing. People go to church for the social aspect more than anything else, and have pretty much given up on the God thing. Here in the U.K. I know plenty of folk who identify themselves as Catholic or protestant, but don't believe in God. Out of the ones that do, the vast majority are the older generations. Before I gave it any thought, I would have identified myself as a protestant, since that's the background I come from, even though I have never believed in God.

In the first 3 minutes of this vid, the Bishop of Oxford very nicely sums up why he is so surprised at the creationism coming out of America in this day and age, and what the official line from the church is on how God created the world, and has been since around 1830.

Watch at YouTube

With religion and what society in general believes about God, in the U.S. and Europe, must have grown pretty far apart, in the days when merely getting a message across the Atlantic meant taking it by ship. Perhaps that's why such a big disparity exists today. The first inkling I ever had of how far out religion can be in the U.S. is seeing clips of TV preachers and people talking in tongues etc, being shown on talk shows for us all to laugh at. That was probably in the 80's. You'll get a good idea of what religion and belief in God is like in the U.K., if you watch the first few mins of that vid.

Dusty

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04-24-2011 11:34 PM  7 years agoPost 15
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People always will believe in God...
The numbers do seem to be declining rapidly.

If you watch the first few minutes of the vid in my post above, you'll see that the church congregations have happily accepted that the Bible shouldn't be taken literally since the mid 1800s, and in those days, 75% of the population went to church. You would have to search far and wide in the U.K. to find someone who believes in the Genesis account of creation, whatever the timespan.

Up until the 50's folk in the U.K. didn't question what they had been taught, and most just assumed that God existed, as described by the Bishop of Oxford. So when folk did start to question what they were being taught, it wasn't such a big deal, since the Bible wasn't being taken literally anyway.

In this day and age, when we have all this information at our fingertips, that decline can only become more rapid. Even in the U.S., apparently atheists were the only group measured in religious surveys, who's numbers had increased in every state, although I am still amazed at the amount of folk in the U.S. who still do believe in God and the Bible, to the extent that they believe it must all be true. Stuff like 47% of Americans believe that there will be a 2nd coming makes the news over here.

There's no way that any substantial amount of folk in the U.K. are going to suddenly start believing in God. Perhaps in a society where so many folk do believe, and many are fanatical about it, the rest must wonder if there's something in it. Without meaning any disrespect, I reckon it must be some sort of mass self-hypnosis, as it just does not seem in the least bit rational.

It seems very simple to me. Either the Bible is true, or it isn't. And since it isn't, why would anyone believe that it is?

An interesting point, from the 2005 European poll, is the countries that have the lowest proportion of those who believe in a God, have the highest proportion of folk who believe in a life force or spirit. Although only 38% of the folk in the U.K. believe in a God, and that includes those who believe in Allah and Brahma another 40% believe in a spirit or life force.

Dusty

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04-25-2011 12:56 AM  7 years agoPost 16
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Well, All I have to say is that what goes on in Europe is the reason our ancestors moved to America in the first place. So don't be suprised if we don't agree with you.

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04-25-2011 02:46 AM  7 years agoPost 17
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The wiki link in my previous post includes the results of a European poll from 2005 which asked, 'is there a God?'.
Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia that anyone can edit.

Thats not a very reliable source.

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04-25-2011 11:04 AM  7 years agoPost 18
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Well, All I have to say is that what goes on in Europe is the reason our ancestors moved to America in the first place.
Because most people have come to the logical and rational conclusion that Christianity is just another made up religion, is not why your ancestors moved to America.

Part of the reason why your ancestors did move was because of radical beliefs in religion. Now it would appear that the tables have turned.

Dusty

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04-25-2011 11:16 AM  7 years agoPost 19
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Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia that anyone can edit.

Thats not a very reliable source.
So you keep saying, over and over again. As has been suggested to you before, why don't you go and edit it and see how long your edit lasts?

An independent study found that wiki is more or less as accurate as Encyclopaedia Britannica. which is generally considered to be ''the venerable standard-bearer of facts about the world around us''.

Would you agree that encyclopaedias are generally more reliable sources of information, than most news outlets? If so, then it would seem prudent, on balance, that you should point out in every political thread you start where you use any such news outlet as the source of your information, ''this source is more unreliable than wikipedia''. Would it not?

Dusty

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04-25-2011 04:30 PM  7 years agoPost 20
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How could you identify as being a Catholic or a Protestant when you assert to not believe in God? The very basis of those religions is that God does exist and His son was Christ the Savior. So how can you identify as something you don't believe?

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