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04-19-2011 03:36 PM  7 years agoPost 1
newlandb

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Been flying helis 5 years and really like the concept of F3C type flying, large graceful maneuvers and precision hovering. I would be starting in the Class 1 rules and try to enter local F3c events. Right now I am practicing with a Raptor 50 SE (not the Titan) and also with a JS-TZ Frenzy 50. The Raptor is really locked in on the hover but the Frenzy does better upstairs. It seems that most F3C pilot use either a 90 size nitro or 700 size electric. I am leaning toward a 90 size nitro because of expense and maybe would consider the Trex 700e Superior F3C. As for 90 size helis what would be a good choice or should I even consider a nitro. Also do many pilots fly 50 size nitros in the Class 1 event. I relize the 90 size would definitly be better. Thanks in advance for your help

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04-19-2011 05:15 PM  7 years agoPost 2
kcordell

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For AMA Classes I,II,III, the model you have is just fine. You will see others with larger models, but that isn't always the best. In class I, there isn't much flying around so you don't really need a full blown 90 size F3C model. As far as getting in the FAI F3C class, with the 3D type maneauvers that are now being flown, the electrics have so much more power that they are ruling the class right now. The glow models just don't have enough 'umph' to do the maneauvers as clean as the electrics do.

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04-19-2011 09:54 PM  7 years agoPost 3
iangurney

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I think you should go to a couple of meetings and see what people are flying and get the same. I don't really mean that in a "follow the sheep" way, just if you know what they are doing and they can see your stuggling the'll help you out so vice versa.

I know the 700eF3c is a really nice piece of kit but please don't get sucked in just because it has "f3c" in the title. Most importantly is a model your familliar with, thats you can work with and adapt. You already have a frenzy 50 and a raptor 50. These will work fine, in many case's the'll probably hide minor errors unlike a 90. A 90 presents really well in the air but the theory is it shouldn't make a difference to the judges.

Stick with what you have, spend your money on spares, try different things like paddles, flybars, dampers, weight distribution but get out there and fly and get used to the schedules.

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04-20-2011 02:33 AM  7 years agoPost 4
newlandb

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Thanks to you both for the sound advice of sticking with what I have. I was hoping to hear that. I'll use the money instead on fuel and upgrades and just practice, and maybe after going to some events I will see what other are doing and make some of the mentioned improvements and tweaking.

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04-20-2011 03:46 AM  7 years agoPost 5
airdodger

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I think you realize a 90 being better is a true statement. A heavier model is more stable, first time I entered a contest I used a forty size it was quite apparent that was a mistake as I was the only one with that small a heli. You know what is said, size does not matter, it is up to you to believe that or not. Intentions are well placed I gave you my opinion.

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04-20-2011 01:29 PM  7 years agoPost 6
newlandb

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Yes, a 90 size is in the near future. And will practice at this stage with the 50s.

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04-20-2011 05:36 PM  7 years agoPost 7
kcordell

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Although there are many who don't like him, Mike Maas used to have a saying about flying "the secret to model helicopter flying is in the bottom of a 55 gallon drum of fuel". In other words, you can go out and get the most expensive model, put the most bling on it, get the highest level radio and if you don't put in flight, after flight after flight, it doesn't matter. I have seen guys with 30's smoke guys with FAI type models in Class I, due strictly to proper setup and PRACTICE. I speak from experience, I showed up at my first NATS, Class I, with the model that Wayne Mann flew in the previous years World Championships in Australia and finished 2nd with. Didn't help me at all,but an hour conversation with Curtis Youngblood later in that same NATS helped more than ever.

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04-20-2011 07:13 PM  7 years agoPost 8
Four Stroker

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Hey, let's not pick on Mike. Wayne Mann told me he flew three gallons a day - long ago.

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04-20-2011 07:55 PM  7 years agoPost 9
airdodger

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kkordell what year was that?

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04-20-2011 10:41 PM  7 years agoPost 10
kcordell

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For the NATS? It was '91 at Westover AFB, for Maas early '90's when we were all putting the 'gold' pieces on our X-Cell's.

I can also vouch for Wayne flying gallons a day when practicing.

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04-20-2011 11:13 PM  7 years agoPost 11
airdodger

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Westover is where I went for the first time with the forty. It was also the first time I saw a heli other than mine fly. The next time was 93, and I had a sixty.

Chris

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04-22-2011 05:16 AM  7 years agoPost 12
Santiago P

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Gus Petraits flew a Pantera 50 all last year including the Nats and did well with it.

Like all the guys said, hold on on the 90 or Rex f3c. When you see all other models you will likely change your mind about what to get.

S

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04-22-2011 08:00 AM  7 years agoPost 13
altima1779

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like others have said you can do very well with a 50 size. I used a trex 600 last year in a local contest and with a little tweaking it did very well.

If you do decide to go with a 90 size, keep an eye out for a Hirobo evo 90, they can be had for a very fair price. The great thing about the Evo is you can use the stock head or save some cash up and get a IV or V head and have a heli that can compete with just about anything. There are also conversions out there for the evo to go electric if you like.

I flew an evo 90 last year at the NATS with the IV head off a Turbulence and it was a far better heli than what my flying skills are. Not to mention there are a ton of very helpful Hirobo guys around this site to lead you in the right direction.

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04-22-2011 01:25 PM  7 years agoPost 14
newlandb

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I'm going to practice with my 50s and will enter the 2011 NATS F3C Class 1 this year. I'm nervous already, but will be a good experience and talk with some of the guys for advice and also see what they are flying. Holding off of the 90 until after that. Thanks for everyone's input. Good and interesting stuff.

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04-22-2011 02:45 PM  7 years agoPost 15
altima1779

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I flew the NATS for the first time last year. By my third round my nerves were almost completely gone. It is a good experience and i hope i can work it out to be their again this year.

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04-22-2011 07:00 PM  7 years agoPost 16
nytflyer

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something to consider ;)
USD$1700.00

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04-23-2011 02:55 AM  7 years agoPost 17
Santiago P

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Dave (altima1779) forgot to mentioned that he used a Hirobo SDX to clean up the first IRCHA Class I Precision two years ago. His 50 sized SDX was as solid as any of the 90size machines entered.

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04-23-2011 06:18 AM  7 years agoPost 18
altima1779

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Thanks Moneypitvictim! I forgot about that. Yes with some great help from DR.Ben i had one very stable SDX that year.

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04-23-2011 02:34 PM  7 years agoPost 19
allegro16

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Same here....Hirobo SDX for FAI style flying. Very stable both in hovering and upstairs.

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04-24-2011 01:41 AM  7 years agoPost 20
nytflyer

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sdx for fai. .
Currently im building the sdx kit. How do i tune it for fai?

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