RunRyder RC
WATCH
 1 page 1014 views POST REPLY
HomeRC & PowerAircraftHelicopter
e-
Kontronik Electric Components
› Any reason why I shouldn't use a Jive?
04-18-2011 04:21 PM  7 years agoPost 1
AnneThe Man

rrApprentice

Ireland

My Posts: All  Forum  Topic

Having read all the horror stories about CC HV ICE escapes going up in smoke I finally met someone that it happened to at the weeekend. Should I be worried? I've just bought a ICE 80 HV, but maybe I should get a Jive instead?
Apart from the lack of data logging, is there any reason why I shouldn't get a Jive for my ENV?

PM  EMAIL  GALLERY  Attn:RR  Quote
04-18-2011 04:31 PM  7 years agoPost 2
Justin Stuart (RIP)

rrMaster

Plano, Texas

My Posts: All  Forum  Topic

The only reason I can think of is because they are so darn expensive.

Avant RC
Scorpion Power Systems
Thunder Power RC
Kontronik Drives

PM  EMAIL  GALLERY  Attn:RR  Quote
04-18-2011 04:35 PM  7 years agoPost 3
AnneThe Man

rrApprentice

Ireland

My Posts: All  Forum  Topic

So is my heli going up in smoke or crashing to the ground!

PM  EMAIL  GALLERY  Attn:RR  Quote
04-18-2011 04:36 PM  7 years agoPost 4
rexxigpilot

rrProfessor

Florida

My Posts: All  Forum  Topic

Kontronik is coming out with a whole new line of ESC's soon. They will have all the features like data logging and autorotation that are on the CC ICE series ESC's. Jive will be obsolete/old soon. Wait on the new stuff IMO.

PM  EMAIL  GALLERY  Attn:RR  Quote
04-18-2011 04:40 PM  7 years agoPost 5
3Dmuse

rrApprentice

Ontario, Canada

My Posts: All  Forum  Topic

You sound like you want the Jive, but you need others to tell you to get one so that you don't feel so guilty about spending a small fortune on it. I know the feeling

PM  EMAIL  Attn:RR  Quote
04-18-2011 04:47 PM  7 years agoPost 6
AnneThe Man

rrApprentice

Ireland

My Posts: All  Forum  Topic

I still use plastic servo horns, so to be honest I just want something that works. This is my first electric and I didn't do enough research before buying the CC. I cant afford either the CC or the Kontronic, but I can afford to make the wrong choice even less. The truth is I want something that works and that I wont have to worry about. If I have to pay a bit more I guess the old adage is probably true most of the time, 'you get what you pay for'.

If Kontronic are coming out with a new line maybe the Jive will come down in price?

PM  EMAIL  GALLERY  Attn:RR  Quote
04-18-2011 06:08 PM  7 years agoPost 7
Justin Stuart (RIP)

rrMaster

Plano, Texas

My Posts: All  Forum  Topic

Are you talking about the Kosmic series?

Avant RC
Scorpion Power Systems
Thunder Power RC
Kontronik Drives

PM  EMAIL  GALLERY  Attn:RR  Quote
04-18-2011 06:51 PM  7 years agoPost 8
bob00

rrVeteran

Toronto, ON

My Posts: All  Forum  Topic

Hi Anne,

I bought my first CC HV controller when the HV110 was released way back when. It's seen thousands of flights - never missed a beat and has been constantly improved with new features over time with free firmware updates downloaded from Castle.
It's still in use today - it's last 400+ flights in one of my eAuroras.

I've got HV120ICE ESCs in the others and they've been good too, but those have less than 200 flights each so we'll see

The HV80ICE in my logo has been good for 500 flights too (12S / 4035-500)

...so they don't all go up in smoke and I don't think that I got the only good ones.

- Rob

PM  EMAIL  HOMEPAGE  Attn:RR  Quote
04-18-2011 07:14 PM  7 years agoPost 9
AnneThe Man

rrApprentice

Ireland

My Posts: All  Forum  Topic

I'm sure you're right, but whilst I've heard of a lot of Castle ESCs going up in smoke recently, I've never heard anyone complain about a Kontronik. Maybe there are a lot more CC ESC's out there?

PM  EMAIL  GALLERY  Attn:RR  Quote
04-19-2011 01:11 AM  7 years agoPost 10
baby_zyklon

rrElite Veteran

Singapore

My Posts: All  Forum  Topic

kontronik can go wrong too. The difference is that when something goes wrong on the jive, it shuts down instead of smoking or catching fire.

The only reason why you shouldn't use a jive is that once you are pampered by the jive, the others become overly complicated.

PM  EMAIL  HOMEPAGE  GALLERY  Attn:RR  Quote
04-19-2011 09:18 AM  7 years agoPost 11
AnneThe Man

rrApprentice

Ireland

My Posts: All  Forum  Topic

I'm not familiar with ESCs and electric flying, can someone explain the lack of auto bail-out?

PM  EMAIL  GALLERY  Attn:RR  Quote
04-19-2011 09:24 AM  7 years agoPost 12
rchelichop

rrVeteran

seeya

My Posts: All  Forum  Topic

I agree, wait for the new Kontroniks to come out and do one of two options. Get the new Kontronik esc and pay premium price, or get a used good condition jive when the prices on used drops because of the new one and save some ca$h.

PM  EMAIL  GALLERY  Attn:RR  Quote
04-19-2011 01:57 PM  7 years agoPost 13
Rogman88

rrElite Veteran

West Monroe, LA

My Posts: All  Forum  Topic

So is my heli going up in smoke or crashing to the ground!
If you are running a separate receiver battery or BEC? If so then you just auto down and more times than not the flames will put themselves out during the auto. A quick blow on the ESC will put the flames out BTW if the auto doesn't. Look in my gallery and ask me how I know...

Anyway, a couple of thousand flights on my CC 85HV and she's still going strong.
I'm not familiar with ESCs and electric flying, can someone explain the lack of auto bail-out?
First one must ask what a bail out feature is to determine if it's beneficial to you. The auto bail out feature basically spools the heli up faster than a start up spool up. It get's the blades going faster so if you are in an auto and don't like how it's going, you can flip out of hold and get flying faster.

So lack of auto bail out means that if you hit hold for an auto and decide to start flying the helicopter during the auto, it will take the same slow time to get the blades back up to speed as it would when you first turn on the heli.

Hope this helps.

High Voltage just works better

PM  EMAIL  HOMEPAGE  GALLERY  Attn:RR  Quote
04-19-2011 02:59 PM  7 years agoPost 14
AnneThe Man

rrApprentice

Ireland

My Posts: All  Forum  Topic

Thanks for the explanation.
I'll be using separate Rx battery, although I did think about using the BEC with small NiCd or Nihm in parallel as stated in the Jive manual. I was intending going to Life packs, I've been using SGP Reactor and 2S2P Lipo, with an Emcotec step down on the tail. Is there any benefit to using the BEC and 4cell pack over using a separate Rx battery?

PM  EMAIL  GALLERY  Attn:RR  Quote
04-19-2011 03:16 PM  7 years agoPost 15
rexxigpilot

rrProfessor

Florida

My Posts: All  Forum  Topic

IMO, if you don't have enough faith in the Jive's BEC and plan to use battery backup power, you should just use a separate RX pack. The LIFE or A123 pack is the best choice for RX.

PM  EMAIL  GALLERY  Attn:RR  Quote
04-20-2011 08:11 AM  7 years agoPost 16
r.lim

rrNovice

Breda, The Netherlands

My Posts: All  Forum  Topic

YGE esc
To anne The Man.
The kontronic esc are indeed very good and realible. However, YGE esc are also good and I think they are in some feature much better and cheaper then kontronic. beside, yge has an antispark system integrated in theis esc.

PM  EMAIL  Attn:RR  Quote
04-20-2011 08:30 AM  7 years agoPost 17
AnneThe Man

rrApprentice

Ireland

My Posts: All  Forum  Topic

I'll look into them, however I have already spent a small fortune on an Emcotec SPS.

PM  EMAIL  GALLERY  Attn:RR  Quote
04-21-2011 01:10 AM  7 years agoPost 18
yannick

rrVeteran

South Korea

My Posts: All  Forum  Topic

I am using ICE HV's 120 and 80 in 12S since a year without any issue.

Is it me or this time the ground was higher than last time??

PM  EMAIL  Attn:RR  Quote
04-21-2011 01:18 AM  7 years agoPost 19
Joe90

rrApprentice

Quebec, Canada

My Posts: All  Forum  Topic

Kontronik are dull
Set and forget ;-)

PM  EMAIL  GALLERY  Attn:RR  Quote
04-21-2011 01:42 AM  7 years agoPost 20
JayL

rrVeteran

Leesburg GA

My Posts: All  Forum  Topic

I thought castles were great too until my bird went up in flames never thought it would happen to me but it did. castle 120 i might add when I get it back together it will have a kon

PM  EMAIL  GALLERY  Attn:RR  Quote
WATCH
 1 page 1014 views POST REPLY
HomeRC & PowerAircraftHelicopter
e-
Kontronik Electric Components
› Any reason why I shouldn't use a Jive?
 Print TOPIC  Make Suggestion 

 6  Topic Subscribe

Wednesday, September 26 - 9:31 am - Copyright © 2000-2018 RunRyder   EMAILEnable Cookies

The RC discussion world needs to consolidate. RR is now one choice for that. Its software is cutting edge. It hosts on-topic advertising. Help RR increase traffic buy making suggestions, posting in RR's new areas (sites) and by spreading the word.

The RunRyder Difference

• Category system to allow Rep/Vendor postings.
• Classifieds with sold (hidden) category.
• Classifieds with separate view new.
• Answer PMs offsite via email reply.
• Member gallery photos with advanced scripting.
• Gallery photo viewer integrated into postings.
• Highly refined search with advanced back end.
• Hosts its own high end fast response servers.
• Hosts thousands of HD event coverage videos.
• Rewrote entire code base with latest technology.
• No off-topic (annoying) click bait advertising.
Login Here
 New Subscriptions 
 Buddies Online