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04-18-2011 02:12 PM  7 years agoPost 1
trillian

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Just curious if anyone here has put a microbeast on their Vision Ultimate.

If so I am interested in knowing if the stock swash was used and how the head was modded or what replacement head used.

The stock head would seem to lend itself very easily to converting to FBL because the grip arms are already spaced quite wide and you already have a swash driver. So it would seem like just a matter of getting different link balls for the grips and shorter link balls for the inner swash.

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04-26-2011 01:07 AM  7 years agoPost 2
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04-26-2011 08:27 PM  7 years agoPost 3
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I have modded the stock head and it's very easy, probably the easiest flybarred head to convert to FBL.

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04-27-2011 01:55 AM  7 years agoPost 4
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WOW toally different head then the comp sorry parts listed above were wrong.

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04-27-2011 10:42 PM  7 years agoPost 5
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Yes they are for the competition version. Probably he didn't notice that you have the ultimate.

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04-30-2011 09:38 PM  7 years agoPost 6
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the verdict
I have now spent two days flying the Vision Ultimate with the
Beast X and I am happy to say it works very well.

I have pretty much all default settings. I did not get a blue light
at menu J but it seemed happy with everything else. I did not want to
alter the geometry to get a blue light at that point because it
would cause extreme non-linearity at high collective due to the
angle of the servo arms. Where it is now is IMHO a good compromise.

Anyway, after a cautious first hover and a few tweaks of the tail gyro gain it has worked flawlessly. I am running it on the 'extreme' behaviour preset and it feels really good to me, maybe just a wee bit more docile than the way it was flybarred with KBDD paddles.

Today I thought I'd look for things to adjust and improve but honestly haven't felt the need to change anything.

I first had a pair of RJX blades which worked fine and today I tried a set of regular Radix blades and they seemed maybe slightly more stable but it was very windy so kinda hard to compare.

In any case I am very pleased with the result . It's great when things just work straight away without alot of fiddling.

(Just added this pic from Friday of the Ely.Q and Raptor 50)

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05-01-2011 07:34 AM  7 years agoPost 7
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looks and sounds great. when you get around to it, you should replace those stock plastic main blade grips with the comp / xe version. no flex.

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05-01-2011 11:52 AM  7 years agoPost 8
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Metal grips
Yeah I have thought about metal grips as there is some flex in the plastic ones. The main thing would be that the grip arms must be
as wide as the ones on the stock grips for the flybarless setup. I'll look into this.

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05-01-2011 05:48 PM  7 years agoPost 9
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TRILLIAN great job i just got done with mine has a 3g but cant wait to fly

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05-03-2011 01:40 AM  7 years agoPost 10
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I'll be interested to see how you get on with the 3G. I bought one
a while back and might try it on the 450 where the BeastX just never
quite worked well enough.

One difference I noticed with flybarless is that in gusty conditions it seems a bit more easily thrown around by the wind in terms of height. It holds its attitude very well but seems to pitch up and down a bit more than I would expect a flybarred head to do. It's not a big deal as I have no intention to do F3C style hovering with that machine.

But otherwise it really transforms the Ely.Q and makes it more useful for practising the aero moves where before a lot more corrections were required to keep it tracking straight.

I have heard from some guys that have stuck with the 3G that it can work very well, it just might be a bit more sensitive to vibrations and the setup needs to be right.

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05-03-2011 04:31 AM  7 years agoPost 11
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yea i have heard alot about vibrations i think my heli has some i was told to hard mount it. What are you using on the beastx? I got some 3m tape with the red backing really sticky but not much cushion. I can understand that on a electric so i will see how it works. With flybarless it shouldnt drift that much in the wind right? Well i will be going out to test shortly hopefully this week sometime after work.

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05-04-2011 03:07 AM  7 years agoPost 12
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I just used one of the supplied pads to mount the Beast X, it's basically just like a gyro pad, maybe 1/8 inch thick. It is mounted in front on the radio tray. But the BeastX unit has a metal base, so it may be a similar effect to using the metal plate that some gyros are mounted on.

As far as correction when hovering in wind, basically it's going to try to keep itself as level as possible and correct for any change of attitude. So it seems like the heli is more level in wind than it would be with a flybar but something else about a flybar (I think) tends to help with vertical correction to a greater degree. It could just be my imagination.

One thing that is probably possible, just for sake argument, is that it may be able to run a lower headspeed for hovering and still have good stability.

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05-04-2011 03:40 AM  7 years agoPost 13
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well had my maiden on my fbl it SUCKED thing was uncrollable in a hover was all over the place tried to mess with gain and all i think it might be my mounting i hard mounted it

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05-06-2011 01:01 PM  7 years agoPost 14
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When I had the BeastX on my 450 it was very easy to make a few
tiny changes and have the heli be unflyable.

Generally speaking if the geometry of the swash servos is in the
ballpark, if the grips turn smoothly etc. and assuming the servos
are reasonably fast it should work.

I think the main problem I had with the 450 is the servos not being fast enough.

And the swash geometry doesn't even have to be perfect because
the fbl unit will make as little or as much control input as it needs.
This has effectively completely compensated for the many interactions
and innaccuracies of the Ely.Q swash.

From what I have read it just seems the 3G is maybe a bit more touchy to setup but once it is it should work quite well. The only possible exception being that some guys went back to using a dedicated tail gyro.

I think I might try the 3G on my 450 at some point as it would be interesting to see if it would work where the BeastX didn't.

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05-15-2011 06:20 PM  7 years agoPost 15
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went out for another test flight i changed the balls on my swash to smaller ones and got the align plate and gyro pad. flew fine in hover and went up for turn no prob didnt have the canopy on so didnt want to do much. I hope the beastx works good for you will be looking forward to a flight report from ya down the road. I love this heli though

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05-15-2011 06:24 PM  7 years agoPost 16
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Can we get a closeup with the canopy off?

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05-16-2011 01:28 AM  7 years agoPost 17
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Yeah, I can get some pics without the canopy, I'll do that Monday
when I get a little 'down time'.

I have flown it quite a bit now and the only thing that I had to adjust to a bit is the feel of the tail gyro in the BeastX is different from the GY401 I had before but I am fairly used to it now and it seems to hold very well.

Going FBL makes the Vision Ultimate a really viable choice as a heli to sling around day in and day out. It is now very 'low parts count' so very few links to look after and generally just a very simple machine.

I just got some metal grips and I have been told that they really make a big difference so I am curious. I am going to assemble the metal grips onto a spare hub so that I can just swap out the entire head and then if I don't like it I can easily put the current one back on.

The only other thing I'd like to do is lose the Arizona regulator
and put an AR7100 RX on there with a LiFe pack. I'll need to change out the tail servo as well to one that can handle 6 volts, so prob an Align DS650.

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05-16-2011 01:35 AM  7 years agoPost 18
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yea i really want a ds650 sux with a step down and the 9254. Why is it more exspensive then the 650 i dont get it

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05-16-2011 01:15 PM  7 years agoPost 19
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Under the canopy
Here are a few pics. My wiring is not as tidy as some people do theirs.

You'll notice there is a black box strapped to the front and the Lipo
and regulator are sitting on one side and the RX is sitting on top of it. This is an empty plastic 'project box' and the only reason it's there is to move the Lipo and regulator farther forward to get the correct C of G. Otherwise the Vision Ultimate is chronically tail-heavy.

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05-17-2011 12:22 AM  7 years agoPost 20
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so do you have the carbon boom? I had a metal one at first and was tail heavy. Then i put a carbon one on it was all good and all i have is a 1900mah battery

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