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04-20-2011 10:29 PM  7 years agoPost 61
Chris Bergen

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I forgot to add the sarcasm to my statement...Yes I'm aware that that woman was killed. By a crowd throwing rocks.

This isn't ancient history either, this still goes on TODAY. As does mutilations, beheadings, etc. And they're bringing it to America.

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,493645,00.html

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04-21-2011 02:32 AM  7 years agoPost 62
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After talking with a wiser buddy or two, I have come to understand the problem a little more clearly <

The problem isn't the race of those who are muslim

It is Sharia law
it is the code of conduct or religious law of Islam

This "law" does not exist in your constitution and for good reasons

I believe the threat is this law and the people who want us to abide by it in this country which they imigrated to

in my house it's my rules: you don't like it leave ,or live by those terms

who is the guest visiting my home

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04-21-2011 01:39 PM  7 years agoPost 63
SSN Pru

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You mean the administration that immediately followed George H. W. Bush?
No, I mean the William Jefferson Clinton Administration. You know? The one that was in charge when the Trade Center was bombed the first time, the USS Cole was attacked, when the khobar towers were bombed?

What else am I missing?

Your attempt to pin "terrorism" on Conservatives is an absolute disgrace and shows your true stupidity and ignorance.
There are over ONE BILLION Muslims in the world today
And yet the silence is deafening when it comes to denouncing not only attacks on non-mulsims by radical muslims but attacks on other muslims by radical muslims.

They're only peaceful in that they aren't screaming at the radicals to stop! By their very actions (or inactions), they are complicit in what the radicals are doing and they only help to foster the bad reputation that Islam has rightfully earned!
The problem isn't the race of those who are muslim

It is Sharia law
You are trying to separate the two and it just cannot be done. They are one and the same. Muslims practice their faith as dictated in the Koran. Sharia law is an integral part of the Koran. If a Muslim tells you they don't believe in Sharia law then they are going against the fundamental foundations upon which their ENTIRE FAITH is founed!

Stupidity can be cured. Ignorance is for life!

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04-21-2011 05:27 PM  7 years agoPost 64
fla heli boy

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those people stoning that poor woman were no more or less radical than all muslims. This is what they are all about. I'm sorry, but the rules for women alone have to make any sane person see what that religion is all about.

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04-21-2011 05:35 PM  7 years agoPost 65
Dennis (RIP)

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those people stoning that poor woman were no more or less radical than all muslims. This is what they are all about.
No, its not.

That kind of stuff unfortunately does happen. But, it does not happen with muslims as a whole. When it does happen, its in very remote areas where there is no law enforcement. Think about it. In remote areas of the middle east and parts of Africa, they don't have policemen cruising around in police cars every hour of every day and night like they do in the streets of the USA. Those people are their own law enforcement depending on the high level Islams in those areas. They enforce their own laws. No cool the way they do so. But, thats the way it is.
I'm sorry, but the rules for women alone have to make any sane person see what that religion is all about.
Yeah, they got a very long ways to go with that. Its going to take a whole bunch more generations.

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04-21-2011 07:41 PM  7 years agoPost 66
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hmm if we can't seperate muslims from Sharia law, why are they here ?

Sharia conflicts most of our laws and rights, so how do we deal with it ?

we may have freedom of religion but we still have to abide by the countries laws.

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04-21-2011 07:44 PM  7 years agoPost 67
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Sharia conflicts most of our laws and rights, so how do we deal with it ?
The best and most harmless way to do that is to just ignore it and just use our own laws. They have to integrate with us. Not the other way around.

More and more countries are discovering that including Germany and England.

Its just like dealing with kids. Make a big issue about it and it becomes a big issue when it should not be.

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04-21-2011 08:13 PM  7 years agoPost 68
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those people stoning that poor woman were no more or less radical than all muslims. This is what they are all about.
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No, its not.

That kind of stuff unfortunately does happen. But, it does not happen with muslims as a whole. When it does happen, its in very remote areas where there is no law enforcement.
Did you check out the news from NEW YORK? Neither remote nor without Law Enforecement, although one can debate how GOOD the Law Enforcement in NY...

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,493645,00.html

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04-21-2011 08:21 PM  7 years agoPost 69
Dennis (RIP)

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Did you check out the news from NEW YORK? Neither remote nor without Law Enforecement, although one can debate how GOOD the Law Enforcement in NY..
That guy was recently convicted of 1st degree murder. Not sure of his sentence. But, he was convicted.

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04-21-2011 09:12 PM  7 years agoPost 70
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The best and most harmless way to do that is to just ignore it and just use our own laws. They have to integrate with us. Not the other way around.
our society votes

after they have immigrated here and 20 years have past how many muslims will we have ? they will over populate us

then win the vote !!!

something the politicians better think about frigging quick

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04-22-2011 04:59 AM  7 years agoPost 71
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fwiw..
Just remember...Retroactive birth control is always an option....

BC

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04-22-2011 06:36 PM  7 years agoPost 72
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The Quaran specifically says that it is EXPECTED of all Muslims to lie to the infidels to gain their trust in order that they may stick the knife in when it counts most.
Really? I would be most interested to read this. There are plenty of links on google to anti-Islam sites which promote the 'slay them wherever ye find them' type verses in the Quran, but I can't find anything at all regarding Muslims being expected to lie. Only the opposite:

(40:28) ''Truly Allah guides not one who transgresses and lies!''

(2:42) ''And cover not Truth with falsehood, nor conceal the Truth when ye know (what it is)''

(9:119) ''O ye who believe! Fear Allah and be with those who are true (in word and deed).''

Can you tell us what the Quran does say regarding expecting Muslims to lie, or which chapter it's in?

I assume you have read this yourself, and you're not just repeating what you've heard.

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04-22-2011 08:40 PM  7 years agoPost 73
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Islam explained -
The truth about Islam, it does not teach of love and peace towards unbelievers

2:89... from Allah verifying that which they have, and aforetime they used to pray for victory against those who disbelieve, but when there came to them (Prophet) that which they did not recognize, they disbelieved in him; so Allah's curse is on the unbelievers.

2:90... they should deny what Allah has revealed, out of envy that Allah should send down of His grace on whomsoever of His servants He pleases; so they have made themselves deserving of wrath upon wrath, and there is a disgraceful punishment for the unbelievers.

2:191... drive them out from whence they drove you out, and persecution is severer than slaughter, and do not fight with them at the Sacred Mosque until they fight with you in it, but if they do fight you, then slay them; such is the recompense of the unbelievers.

2:217... they turn you back from your religion, if they can; and whoever of you turns back from his religion, then he dies while an unbeliever-- these it is whose works shall go for nothing in this world and the hereafter, and they are the inmates of the fire;

Taken from the Qur'an: http://quran.com

and many more..

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For God has not given us a spirit of fear, but of power and of love and of a sound mind. 2 Tim 1:7

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04-23-2011 06:15 AM  7 years agoPost 74
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My wife helped me realize a secret weapon to this Islam B.S.

We fought Slavery and won
Women fought for their rights,
Women out populate men by 3:1
and who's more conniving and manipulating women or men ?

To think that the western world will reverse it's course on rights and freedoms is absurd.
Too many have died for what we have, before Islam can take over many more will die

sucks but life goes on

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04-23-2011 10:17 PM  7 years agoPost 75
Dusty1000

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2:89... from Allah verifying that which they have, and aforetime they used to pray for victory against those who disbelieve, but when there came to them (Prophet) that which they did not recognize, they disbelieved in him; so Allah's curse is on the unbelievers.
2:90... they should deny what Allah has revealed, out of envy that Allah should send down of His grace on whomsoever of His servants He pleases; so they have made themselves deserving of wrath upon wrath, and there is a disgraceful punishment for the unbelievers.
These two verses are basically saying that unbelievers will be sent to hell, much the same as what the Bible says.
2:191... drive them out from whence they drove you out, and persecution is severer than slaughter, and do not fight with them at the Sacred Mosque until they fight with you in it, but if they do fight you, then slay them; such is the recompense of the unbelievers.
This is one of many verses that tells Muslims what to do, when they are attacked, or their land is being occupied by who they perceive to be an aggressor. It basically tells them to fight back. If they have been driven out of their land, [or what they perceive to be their land (e.g. Israel)] then they must drive out the 'invaders' and get their land back. Notice the next verse which says that if the other side surrender, they should be shown forgiveness and mercy.
2.192 And if they cease, then indeed, Allah is Forgiving and Merciful.
2:217... they turn you back from your religion, if they can; and whoever of you turns back from his religion, then he dies while an unbeliever-- these it is whose works shall go for nothing in this world and the hereafter, and they are the inmates of the fire;
That's just another 'unbelievers will burn in hell' type passage, much the same as the Bible. None of them declare 'all out war on the infidel' though.
The truth about Islam, it does not teach of love and peace towards unbelievers
It's not a 'love thy neighbour' sort of religion. Islam is much more like Judaism in this respect. It does teach 'respect thy neighbour' though, and refers to Christians and Jews as 'People of the Book'. As far as Muslims are concerned, there is only one Abrahamic God, and Muslims together with Christians and Jews are all 'believers'.

Monotheists who believe in a God other than the God in the Bible, atheists, and polytheists such as Hindus, would come under the category of 'unbeliever'.
2:136 Say, [O believers], "We have believed in Allah and what has been revealed to us and what has been revealed to Abraham and Ishmael and Isaac and Jacob and the Descendants and what was given to Moses and Jesus and what was given to the prophets from their Lord. We make no distinction between any of them, and we are Muslims [in submission] to Him."
Just in case you or anyone else here doesn't know, Muslims think of Jesus as being a prophet like Moses, and think that Christians have been fooled into thinking that he is God (or the son of). So while Muslims obviously respect the Bible, they think of the Quran as being the 'true word of God', and it encourages Muslims to ask Christians and Jews to look at it, in the hope that they might also become Muslims. If they turn their back on the idea, then the Quran asks only that they respect Muslims for having made their choice.
3:64 Say, "O People of the Scripture, come to a word that is equitable between us and you - that we will not worship except Allah and not associate anything with Him and not take one another as lords instead of Allah ." But if they turn away, then say, "Bear witness that we are Muslims [submitting to Him]."
I come from a mildly Christian background, but I've never thought of the Bible to be any more believable than any other made up story. I see good and bad in Christianity and Islam, and from what little I know of both, Christianity would seem to be by far the more preferable religion. That is mainly because it has evolved quicker than Islam though, since Christian societies of maybe 150 - 200 years ago would have been more similar to Islamic societies today, than they would be to modern Christian societies. The further back in history you look, the more barbaric, discriminatory, intolerant, and religious, societies were, no matter which religion.

Just because we think that Christianity is preferable to Islam, is no reason to try to make out that Islam is worse than it really is. That would be bearing false witness toward thy neighbour.

And just because their societies have not developed as fast as ours, is no reason to hate them. That is not loving thy neighbour.

My intention here is not to stand up for Islam, it's to stand up for what is right.

Dusty

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04-23-2011 10:35 PM  7 years agoPost 76
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To think that the western world will reverse it's course on rights and freedoms is absurd.
Too many have died for what we have, before Islam can take over many more will die
What are the chances of enough U.S. citizens voting in enough congressmen, who's policy is to turn the U.S. into an Islamic state, to then overturn the constitution, and do so?

Or do you think that these few radical Muslim terrorists are going to invade the U.S., defeat the U.S. army, not to mention any citizen who might have a pop at them with his own gun, and force your government to surrender?

Back to reality.

Muslims are sticking up for their own rights and freedoms, in their own countries. Here's a woman arguing for womans' right on Saudi T.V., using Islam as the basis of her argument:

Watch at YouTube

Just look at all the popular uprisings that are happening at the moment in the Middle East, all against oppressive rulers. It's absurd to think that Islam might 'take over' in this day and age. They don't want us taking over their countries, or cause them to be oppressed, and they have good reason to be nervous.

The terrorism we see over here, is a result of us sending our troops and money over there. Supporting our choice of regime, invading and occupying their countries, and having less consideration for the well being of the populations of those countries than we do for our own foreign policy. None of that has anything to do with Islam.

This is Al Qaeda's stated goal:
Al-Qa'ida's goal is to "unite all Muslims and to establish a government which follows the rule of the Caliphs." Bin Laden has stated that the only way to establish the Caliphate is by force. Al-Qa'ida's goal, therefore, is to overthrow nearly all Muslim governments, which are viewed as corrupt, to drive Western influence from those countries, and eventually to abolish state boundaries.
http://www.middleeastfacts.com/midd...da-al-queda.php

All that has to do with us is the 'driving western influence out' bit, and it's quite a big bit, and I don't see that we can blame them for saying so.

Muslims realise that Islam doesn't support terrorism, not just because it teaches that Christians and Jews are fellow believers, 'People of the Book', it also not only forbids killing innocent people, but promotes saving their lives.
Quran 5:32 ...whoever kills a soul unless for a soul or for corruption [done] in the land - it is as if he had slain mankind entirely. And whoever saves one - it is as if he had saved mankind entirely. And our messengers had certainly come to them with clear proofs. Then indeed many of them, [even] after that, throughout the land, were transgressors.
Because a few warped minds manage to brainwash some trainee terrorists into believing that they will be rewarded by Allah for killing 'the aggressor who has invaded our land', even though doing so involves blowing themselves up, does not mean that Islam is the cause of the problem, and it's wrong to say that it is.

Dusty

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04-24-2011 12:05 AM  7 years agoPost 77
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I'm sick and tired of hearing all this "Islam is going take over us".

Totally and utterly sick of it. That chances of it happening would be so astronomically small it would require a total and utter miracle chain of events to the order of everyone being brainwashed in the western hemisphere on a grand scale.

first it was the commies, now it's the Muslims. When do these people stop and think?

Or maybe there is some truth to the paranoia in the sense that the US knows that they themselves are sheepie and think they are openly possible to such a change because being sheepie they know what other sheepie are like.

Yeah, maybe that's it. But this would imply that your detailed posts Dusty and my post would fall on deaf ears.

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04-24-2011 12:47 AM  7 years agoPost 78
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Totally and utterly sick of it. That chances of it happening would be so astronomically small it would require a total and utter miracle chain of events to the order of everyone being brainwashed in the western hemisphere on a grand scale.
Agreed. For example, the uproar about sharia law taking over in the USA is absurd. In order for that to happen, a significant portion of our population would be jailed, or their hands cut off, or stoned in the streets, or just outright killed.

Anyone that believes that would happen in the USA on any kind of scale is delusional at best.

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04-24-2011 12:50 AM  7 years agoPost 79
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Back to the topic:

TSA Airport Screener Charged With Distributing Child Porn…

A passenger screener at Philadelphia International Airport is facing charges that he distributed more than 100 images of child pornography via Facebook, records show.

Federal agents also allege that Transportation Safety Administration Officer Thomas Gordon Jr. of Philadelphia, who routinely searched airline passengers, uploaded explicit pictures of young girls to an Internet site on which he also posted a photograph of himself in his TSA uniform.

Homeland Security agents arrested the TSA officer March 24, and he is being held without bail.

Although the case was unsealed Thursday, neither the indictment nor the news release mentioned Gordon’s job searching airline passengers for TSA.

The arrest comes as TSA grapples with several other incidents involving screeners, including a YouTube video posted last week by parents angry about the pat-down their 6-year-old daughter received at an airport in New Orleans. TSA officials said the pat-down was proper; the parents said the girl was “groped.”

Citing privacy rules, TSA spokeswoman Ann Davis would not say if Gordon has been suspended from his job, but noted that he had been in federal custody since his arrest.

“We can assure the public that he is no longer working at the airport,” Davis said

http://weaselzippers.us/2011/04/23/...ing-child-porn/

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