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04-02-2011 08:05 AM  7 years agoPost 1
shawmcky

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12 UN staff including 3 Gurkas are reported dead,killed by protestors after the symbolic burning of the koran by a pastor in Florida.The burning was posted on You tube which invoked a lethal protest outside the UN building.The pastor having promised not to carry out the burning for fear of just such a protest did it anyway,probably for his five minutes of fame.Well done,Terry Jones,well done.And the worst is,the protests continue.

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04-02-2011 12:35 PM  7 years agoPost 2
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So, hypothetically, if some Muslims in Afghanistan burn some Bibles, which offends some Christians who in turn blow up a Mosque in Michigan, killing several who had nothing to do with the burning, would you blame these deaths on the Christians who carried out the bombing, or the Muslims who "offended" them?

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04-02-2011 12:50 PM  7 years agoPost 3
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While we condemn the offending "burners" for being effing morons. It is the people who would kill innocents that would be the murderers.
But let's be honest here, most everyone would agree that they knew that the burning of the koran would incite this kind of response. In an already volatile situation, let's just throw more gas on the fire, that's smart,real smart!

Why do all these idiots have to be in Florida?

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04-02-2011 01:36 PM  7 years agoPost 4
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Note: I am not condoning what Terry Jones did. My point is simply tht had my hypothetical situation occurred, I don't think we would have the original post saying, "Well done,<Bible burner>, well done". The focus would almost certainly be elsewhere.

We are conditioned to simply accept, as a mathematical truth, that if someone burns a Koran, innocent people will die somewhere. We seem almost willing to skip over the part of the process where those who do the killing determine that they are justified in killing innocent people because they are offended.

Terrorism works.

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04-02-2011 01:54 PM  7 years agoPost 5
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We are conditioned to simply accept, as a mathematical truth, that if someone burns a Koran, innocent people will die somewhere. We seem almost willing to skip over the part of the process where those who do the killing determine that they are justified in killing innocent people because they are offended.
that's the heart of the matter.

on the one hand Mr Jones should have known something like this would happen, simply because of the situation we're in.

It's like the rich (the west) against the poor (Islam etc. . .), they hate our success, there's a lot of envy and jealousy etc . . so they're more devote and ardent about their religious beliefs, and some are willing to lay their lives if they get the slightest bit offended.

Now, we could retaliate with like for like: kill innocent Muslims in return, sort of like sending the message: don't f£$£ with us. But we're in too deep with them. We don't resort to that level because it's not in our interests to.

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04-02-2011 03:50 PM  7 years agoPost 6
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Well done,Terry Jones,well done.And the worst is,the protests continue.
In his defense, if they didn't do it because of him then they would have picked another reason out of the hat.

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04-02-2011 05:09 PM  7 years agoPost 7
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We are conditioned to simply accept, as a mathematical truth, that if someone burns a Koran, innocent people will die somewhere. We seem almost willing to skip over the part of the process where those who do the killing determine that they are justified in killing innocent people because they are offended.

Terrorism works.
You are correct. If we condemn Koran burners because of the actions of Muslims, then terrorism works.

Universal action against terrorism should be the correct response and focus. Understanding that these people cannot be appeased is the first step in dealing with them.

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04-02-2011 05:21 PM  7 years agoPost 8
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The things is "Most" christians have left all these extremes of religion behind behind and for the most part live in the 21st century.Some of the followers of Islam seem to have views that are more in keeping with views of 200 years ago.This is a known fact so why stir a volatile pot,especially when it results in deaths of vulnerable people?Sometimes it is easy to see why a firm hand is required to keep a lid on things,such as Mubarak,Gaddafi and Saddam Hussein.Take this away and tribal divisions and extremes of religion create bloodbaths all of their own.

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04-02-2011 05:57 PM  7 years agoPost 9
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So one religious fundamentalist nut job did something that incited some other fundamentalist whack jobs to do something else.

Neither is without blame. It's like blaming the bees for stinging you after you smack their nest with a stick.

And let's be clear, violence by religious fundamentalists is not restricted to Islam. We've seen our share here as well by the fundamentalist Christians who kill abortion doctors because, you know, life is sacred.

Jones knew full well the possible repercussions of his actions. The last time he made it known he planned on doing it they were made clear to him, even by General Petraeus. So to me, he bears a good portion of the fault here.

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04-02-2011 06:13 PM  7 years agoPost 10
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You are correct. If we condemn Koran burners because of the actions of Muslims, then terrorism works.
It's sad that we have to be so careful or we will pisz off some towel headed muslim wackos who thinks because some bloody demitted idiot 100's of years ago set down on a stack of papers (book) some outlandish rules about killing infidels.
Perhaps the queran would make better toilet paper. (looking over my back).

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04-02-2011 06:17 PM  7 years agoPost 11
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a bunch of you fellas are forgetting a little phrase called "FREEDOM"

we are free to do what we want, our for fathers died for this freedom and right or wrong we have it.

YOU do not cower to these terrorist cowards who would have killed inoccent people anyway.

They used the koran burning as a excuse nothing more

so far most of you forget they [some not all] hate our guts do youi think the koran burning made them hate us more? hell no it didnt.

hate is hate, we are at war with muslim cowardly trash period.

I dont back the burning of the koran, unless its by the truckload filled with the terrorist cowards who read it.

sometimes I wish we grew a sack and set an example for this behaviour

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04-02-2011 06:51 PM  7 years agoPost 12
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it would be nice if it really can work like that - but it does not.

It would be like, how shall I put it, the workers against the factory owners. You can only have FEW factory owners to MANY workers - and not vice-versa. See my point.

The west needs their oil, along with strategic political alliances etc., before this ruckus was kicked up, we were happily letting them go about their business (leaders killing their own people, human rights abuses), as long as our interests were secure. Obviously we get hated for it, and in some ways, we're all a bunch of hypocrites as well.

All of this sh£$ has never been about freedom, fairness, good against evil etc . . but about the haves and have nots, the exploiters and the exploited, and the balance of power that holds it all together. Why should any country get involved unless there is something in it for them?

These countries are stuck in the middle ages partly because they do it to themselves, and also partly because it's not in the West's interests to interfere anyway (and also to do with the fact that we're not welcome).

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04-02-2011 09:21 PM  7 years agoPost 13
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YOU do not cower to these terrorist cowards who would have killed innocent people anyway.
Surely not and if that means loosing some american lives it's all worth it. A good christian attitude...

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04-02-2011 09:37 PM  7 years agoPost 14
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A good christian attitude...
you dont know me at all to make a ignorant comment like that.

please reply to your last cowardly thread you started and wont answer
Surely not and if that means loosing some american lives it's all worth it.
so we should all obey these terrorist cowards???

maybe you want to give em a big ole sloppy wet kiss???

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04-02-2011 09:55 PM  7 years agoPost 15
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so we should all obey these terrorist cowards???
of course they're cowards. Violence and aggression is the last resort of the low status, to kill an innocent because of your moronic beliefs just shows how dominated you are, and is an extreme form of self hate - even though they don't realise it.

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04-02-2011 10:06 PM  7 years agoPost 16
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Surely not and if that means loosing some american lives it's all worth it. A good christian attitude...
If you had a choice of which side to be on tintin, which would you choose?

The killers?

Or, the ones that will kill the killers?

You cannot say that possible choice will never happen.

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04-02-2011 11:47 PM  7 years agoPost 17
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Would you say the burning of the Quaran was an act of bravery maybe??
Would you say anything good was obtained from that act??
Was it necessary to give them an excuse to kill UN reps??

I cannot see that not provoking further killings has anything to do with being a coward or not. Provoking them is pure stupidity, nothing else, shear ignorance and egoism.
And it's the greatest form of disrespect for yours and our troops I can think of. Jones and his bunch are not likely to become a victim, your troops on the other hand are and our first female air force pilot became a victim of their egosim.

A "payback" or "punishment" by burning the Quaran is a childish and truely completely ignorant response. If they were true christians they would live by their book, but they tend to read it with just as selective as the other side reads theirs.
Violence and aggression is the last resort of the low status
Hm, did you think that one through? What do you guys tend to display?

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04-03-2011 01:13 AM  7 years agoPost 18
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Hm, did you think that one through? What do you guys tend to display?
I should have added "in the context of a relatively 'harmless' provocation". But then, what is harmless to these people?

I do agree, Mr Jones is partly responsible for inciting an already inflamed situation.

But there's also the other side that says: f£$£ them, we have our right to free speech. The latter stance was in response to the Satanic Verses. And no doubt we can talk of the cartoons that incited violence and murder too.
I cannot see that not provoking further killings has anything to do with being a coward or not. Provoking them is pure stupidity, nothing else, shear ignorance and egoism.
one side, and a very valid one that Dennis and outhouse give, is why should we allow rules for them and not for us? Why should we be taken hostage to their ways?

There is a difference between letting someone, anyone, a right to speak freely without being at the risk of his life for it, and murdering someone just because they represent something you detest or hate.

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04-03-2011 01:23 AM  7 years agoPost 19
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Would you say the burning of the Quaran was an act of bravery maybe??
not at all
Would you say anything good was obtained from that act??
not really
Was it necessary to give them an excuse to kill UN reps??
no it was not necessary
And it's the greatest form of disrespect for yours and our troops I can think of. Jones and his bunch are not likely to become a victim, your troops on the other hand are and our first female air force pilot became a victim of their egosim.
your dead wrong

she was not a victim of their egosim

she was a victim of dirty filthy muslim terrorist we are at war with.

you need to pull your head out of the dark place it resides because you cant see reality. Those inoccent people would have been bombed or killed anyway for anyway reason. terrorist made a claim and you believe them. fact is terrorist hate us and are always looking to kill us with or without reason.

koran burning or not, they would have died.

I have also said I didnt back the nutjob who did it nor do i think it was a good idea.

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04-03-2011 01:32 AM  7 years agoPost 20
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Oh, and I forgot to add: the people in the UN knew of these risks that they were exposed. They're not stupid, they would have known.
What do you guys tend to display?
I have every right to display aggressive if my life and the life of those closest to me are under threat. But I won't display this aggression if my beliefs or culture, or religion etc, , were being verbally attacked.

Human beings in large groups have never really gotten on because it's not in our nature. But to be dominated by ideas or retaliate with violence and murder over a slight tells me that the individual concerned has nothing but self loathing, and feels helpless over the control of his life and what he sees his self worth as.

I was there when the bombs went off in London almost 6 years ago now, and let me tell you, it wasn't a pretty sight. My first real thought was that we must have hurt these people in such a horrible way that a small group of them just want to hurt us as much as they feel we hurt them.

And if I were to be honest I feel we have hurt these countries by our political maneouvres of self interest - because that's how it's played all the time.
I cannot see that not provoking further killings has anything to do with being a coward or not. Provoking them is pure stupidity, nothing else, shear ignorance and egoism.
we can stop all this s£$@ immediately: just stop f@£@$2 with them. but we need their oil and other strategic political ties, eh?

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