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10-10-2011 06:32 PM  7 years agoPost 581
no1gsxrman

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Whiplash
I'm from the hood if it looks like a bird and flies like a bird it's a bird!

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10-10-2011 07:09 PM  7 years agoPost 582
MinAirUSA

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Here's the Whiplash Electric Manual
http://www.miniatureaircraftusa.com...plashmanual.pdf

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10-10-2011 08:40 PM  7 years agoPost 583
Warrick

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Hi MA,

Thanks for posting the manual ;-) Hopefully some kits are making their way to Australia now ;-)

Cheers,
Warrick

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10-10-2011 09:12 PM  7 years agoPost 584
scott s.

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Wait
The manual is showing a flybar head and later showing a flybarless head.

What that about?

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10-10-2011 09:33 PM  7 years agoPost 585
vicent99

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final price?

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10-10-2011 09:49 PM  7 years agoPost 586
MinAirUSA

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Final price for the FBL Electric Whiplash is $899.99

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10-10-2011 10:02 PM  7 years agoPost 587
jadams

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It is sold with both heads...why print two manuals?

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10-10-2011 10:07 PM  7 years agoPost 588
Mike Fortin

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Wait
The manual is showing a flybar head and later showing a flybarless head.

What that about?
Everything between the kits is identical except for the FB/FBL head option so including 2 extra pages to show both head options was the logical choice as opposed to 2 manuals as jadams mentioned.

Have Rotors, Will Fly!

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10-14-2011 03:44 PM  7 years agoPost 589
Mike Fortin

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Build pics have been posted Here

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10-14-2011 06:14 PM  7 years agoPost 590
puma1824

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Even more (ongoing) build pics here LINK

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10-17-2011 07:50 PM  7 years agoPost 591
kcordell

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O Fallon, MO

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A little detail work on my Whiplash, plus clean radio intall with S.Bus.

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Team Synergy/Rail, Team Scorpion, YS Engines, VelTye

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10-18-2011 03:15 AM  7 years agoPost 592
dchekas

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Farmington, CT

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So how are you guys distributing power to your CGY750?

I've seen some guys are using the SGP X2. I'm planning on just running everything straight off a 2S LiPo, including my BLS256HV.

Is 1 power lead sufficient via the S-Bus port, or are you guys y'ing in another through one of the channels?

Team Align, Team Futaba, Team Byron Fuels, Team Thunder Power

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10-18-2011 03:39 AM  7 years agoPost 593
Carey Shurley

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I use a multi-output Fromeco regulator, one connector into the Rx and another on a y cable into the gy750. Of course the sbus cable is connected between the two as well.

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10-18-2011 03:59 AM  7 years agoPost 594
BisonFlyer

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Winter Garden, FL

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With 255HVs and a 256HV, i'm just using straight 2s input via a small jumper that has a 4" of 16awg silicone soldered to an EC3 to go to the battery, and 2 sets of male RX leads soldered to the 16awg silicone for redundant inputs into the RX/750.

I cover the solder joints in Goop, then heat shrink them, for a very vibration resistant solder joint (its also soldered along an inch of exposed wire instead of a small contact point)

On my electrics, I put one of the RX power leads into the 750, and the other into the RX, and on the nitros, I just put both power leads into the RX.

With the Futaba HV stuff, the current draw is very low. 1-Sbus connection is more than enough to power the 750 from the RX. I just prefer dual inputs for redundancy.

Art Hughes
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10-18-2011 03:28 PM  7 years agoPost 595
TomC

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Sorry, I do not mean to double-post this message but I think it fits better in a more general area discussion on the new MA Whiplash rather than just the new 'NEWS' sub-forum.

I think that most of us need to sit back and wait for a range of 'real-world' pilots (sport to 3D) to report back on this heli. Right now it's very difficult, maybe impossible, to have any meaningful discussions about the Whiplash imho.

There are lots of design features on the Whiplash that concern me. The main ones are (in no real order) are;

- lack of gear mesh adjustment
- very limited electric gear ratios (max = 9.53). Higher ones (maybe up to 12:1 would have future proofed it for +14s setups and/or more efficient 12s sport setups)

- non-standard 9mm spindle (why not 10mm?)

- yet, retained 10mm main shaft (why not 12mm to help future-proof it for 750-800mm blades?
)
- no metal TT gears (why not have just one or two, easily replaceable, sacrificial plastic gear(s)?)

- very rigid landing gear (why not softer, more forgiving ones?)

- 19mm servo arm lengths for FBL (maybe not the best for resolution on many fbl systems?)

- pretty ordinary fly bar design (for the non-fbl version). Does not even come close to looking as good as the Stratus Head (which won a few 3D events in the not too distant past btw).

- no CF tail boom option (maybe just me, but I like a lighter/stronger quality CF boom)

- non-standard one-way on the motor-side. I kind of understand that this bearing will get less torque loadings but I also think that since it's spinning ~10x faster it's also going to throw off a lot more lube earlier as well (and run dry). I've heard Bobby's explanation about how a direct-drive mainshaft mounted one-way can lead to differential wear on the one-way bearing, but I had never seen or heard of this actually happening with a current MA sprag one-way bearing mounted on the mainshaft.

- use of the same framesets for all versions (electric/nitro/gasser) sounds great but I think that a lower weight Electric frameset could have been designed/produced.

I've got a few more concerns but I think this is enough for now, lol!

I still have a couple of flying MA Ion-x's (double-staged and single staged). I've flown them both on 10-15s and flybarred and FBL and they all fly great.

For those that don't know, the Ion-x was designed by Tim Schoonard (one of MA's main founders, and yes, a nitro guy) and Chris Stephenson (MA's first electric guy). In 2004, this heli was well before it's time. It was only limited by the batteries and escs available at this time imho.

After the Ion-x, MA proceeded to design a 50e heli and came up with the Razor. I do not believe that Chris S. was too happy with this design and it all seemed to be driven by Tim S. and his MA nitro flyer mates. This proved to be a very portly heli and did not sell well. I'm pretty sure that the Razor was in fact, a nitro-designed heli, and it's interesting to see that it never actually went into nitro production.

The like-wise Ion-x2 (mainly MA nitro flyer input) then came out and did not set the world on fire either. During this period Chris S. left MA (I think he just gave up trying to electrify MA) and they have not had a real electric guy since imho.

Anyway, a bit of history, maybe not too important, but I think you can see the trend here. I might also add that up this point in time MA did not have any fbl heli's or even any fbl pilot experience.

Now we have a bunch of new MA guys (new, much younger owners) and a couple of older MA nitro/gasser guys. Don't get me wrong, all these guys are committed to provide the best product and service, second to none. Also, they are committed to make a decent profit as well!

The potential problem I see right now is that MA does not have a real electric guy, nor do they have a fbl specialist. Their design process continues to be run by nitro/gasser design guys, nitro flyers, and bottom line financial guys. I think that the current version of the Whiplash E-FBL is a good example of this.

For me right now it's pretty easy to know what to do. I've got a couple of Ion-x's that I still love to fly and lots of spares (and MA has always been very good at providing spares for older models in any case). So I will continue to fly and enjoy these as long as possible.

Since the new Whiplash heli shares very few common parts with the older MA heli's (like Stratus, Ion-x, Sprectra) it makes it a bit easier to decide which new 90e heli I might buy next since parts compatibility is not in the equation.

At the end of the day, I hope that all of my concerns with the new MA Whiplash are unfounded, and/or resolved. I also hope that MA continues to be one of the best-in-the-market heli's out there for many years to come!

Cheers,
TomC

Nqx,Mcpx-BL,300x,450x,500x,550x
Ion-x, 10s ,SS
TT X50E 10s, HC3-Sx

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10-18-2011 04:12 PM  7 years agoPost 596
EricLarson

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You guys will probably want to give the current team at MinAir a lot of credit. The machine being produced I am confident was the result of a lot of hard work by those involved and I doubt they will elaborate too much on design decisions due to competition.

Don't try to reinvent the wheel. The setups they are recommending will produce the performance they designed the machine for. If you try to design in every option (which was where the razor series went wrong) the result may not be better, but much worse. Heck on my furion 6 machines I am using near the factory setup and the heli has been flawless and flighs amazing.

I am not connected to MinAir in any way at this point for those of you who know my background. The history at MinAir is much more complicated than listed above. All of their machines where designed around specific flying groups and styles at specific points in time. All those concerns seem valid. With the current group of 700 class machines out there competition is stiff. I have the confidence they did the work and testing to produce the best flagship model they could. Time will tell, but I'm sure looking forward to getting to try the new machine out!

Eric

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10-18-2011 04:16 PM  7 years agoPost 597
Band1086

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I see no reason to fret any of this stuff, let's see how it works in the hands of the general public first. The only thing I was concerned about was lack of gear ratios, however the they will work for most motors. Higher gear ratios will mean smaller pinions, which because of lower gear contact may mean gear stripping issues for some, esp with high powered motors. I bet MA cringes at that thought and are not willing to chance it. As far as the rest of it they are trying hard to be price competitive in a very competitive Asia market, and I for one appreciate this very much. And for their sakes, the more competitive they are, the more of the market is available to them...

I am very excited about the one-way on the motor-side. If this works in the hands of the general public, I believe it may become a standard for many other manufacturers. And it's got to weigh a whole lot less than the big one on the main shaft. I see no reason this model can't be fairly light weight and am very excited to get mine to see how light I can make it.

I also have 2 Ions, which are the best flying helis I have. My first heli over 16 years ago was an Xcell. I've always been a fan even though I've owned other brands. I think it's a bad idea to prejudge a design just because it's not like others...inovation that's one thing that makes the US great!!!!!!!

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10-18-2011 04:50 PM  7 years agoPost 598
MinAirUSA

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Tom,

We really do appreciate your concerns, we understand they are real and come from your experiences. We do have a reason for every aspect of the design, whether it be weight, performance, or cost, all of which are important factors when desiging a new model. Throughout our testing we have found the design to work very well for it's intended purpose. The Whiplash is a new "platform" and we expect it to evolve as needs arise much like the first 1001 evolved through many iterations. We'd be happy to discuss anything further with you or anyone else via phone, our number is (406)245-4883, and of course you would obviously be free to relay anything we spoke about here to the RR forum.

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10-18-2011 05:45 PM  7 years agoPost 599
rexxigpilot

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Try calling an Asian manufacturer. MA provides great customer support, something severely lacking with other brands. Good job MA!

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10-18-2011 10:08 PM  7 years agoPost 600
misskimo

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Huh. Larson in on it.

Tom. You right on the money. Well except chris had more on the ion than Tim did. Alot of what chris did was what was on the shelf what ma had at the time.

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