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01-13-2011 11:12 PM  7 years agoPost 61
dilberteinstein

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FBoss
I'm back and I'm focused (as much as I can be)

I'll stick to a single point...Obama's handling of Obamacare.

Had Obama approached the American people with a clear simple plan to help the most urgent needs, he would have been supported.

Example: the USA is a very compassionate country. We spend billions to help people world wide. Had Obama used the approach that people are dying simply because they don't have health insurance, people would responded in a positive manner. A child in Kansas needs a very special organ transplant, but doesn't have the money to have the medical procedure done at the one location that can do it. No cold hearted Republican can stand the heat for resisting that.

But, when 2000+ pages of a bill is passed against the will of the American people, things heat up. Pelosi said that we have to pass it to find out what is in it. Bad, bad approach.

I am not president material nor even a good salesman, but I do know that people do not like to have things crammed down their throats and this Obamacare is stuck in my mine.

Hey, I got through with a single thought.

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01-13-2011 11:14 PM  7 years agoPost 62
dilberteinstein

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FBoss
Absolute power corrupts absolutely
comes to mind

I believe that quote to be 100% true
We're finding more things to agree on.

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01-13-2011 11:44 PM  7 years agoPost 63
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Obamacare: he really never made an effort at bi-partisanship on that one. I know that's not often possible, but when you are talking about undertaking a program that dwarfs everything else ever done in the free world, well, you'd better have some of your adversaries on board. The right had some very good ideas and instead of attacking the problem piece by piece (channeling "how do you eat an elephant", he crammed it all down in one sitting, not to mention what can only be construed as a total lack of forethought when it comes to a mandate.
There are some things I like, but I think you're only going to get something decent done if you repeal it wholesale and start over.
I think something can be done, but if he was smart, he would bring in tort reform, policies that foster competition, and also bring in people from the health care industry, pharma, insurance companies and start looking at the FDA as a reason our drug costs are so high.
His mistake is he tried to do it with only the help of the lamebrains in congress and on his staff and not enough consultation with people that are actually in the trenches.

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01-14-2011 12:02 AM  7 years agoPost 64
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My liberal parts request some time.................against my better judgment I will let some ah.......leak out.

Polls I have seen (or read reported on) mark this about 51% against 49% for on the health care plan.

Many errors were made on that bill. One of them was pretty much excluding the right in any meaningful way. (no consensus sought). On the other hand the republicans had only NO to offer and still have not offered anything of substance, just the party of NO on that one. The democrats felt strongly strong action was needed and realised it was then or likely never (mid terms historically bring the out of power into power). They went too far in more ways than most.

Its a very complex problem but I will say this.

Id like to think I could live in a country that makes heath care a priority. We are the biggest baddest boys on the block (currently) we are also kind and caring. We should take care of our citizens, we should be able to keep the population healthy. AND it should be able to do it efficiently. Much of the bill is good, does some good stuff, needed reform. Par for the course, the dems took it too far but dang it at the very least they got the ball rolling all while the right said nothing but NO. My feeling is that this issue will bit the right in the end.

RIP ROMAN

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01-14-2011 12:19 AM  7 years agoPost 65
fla heli boy

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agreed and agreed. We should do something, no doubt. Of course, I'm an isolationist, so I say we pay for a revised version of this by us not taking care of 2/3rd's of the rest of the world anymore, including nations we whipped, rebuilt and now protect at our expense.

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01-14-2011 12:30 AM  7 years agoPost 66
Dennis (RIP)

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Many errors were made on that bill. One of them was pretty much excluding the right in any meaningful way. (no consensus sought). On the other hand the republicans had only NO to offer and still have not offered anything of substance, just the party of NO on that one. The democrats felt strongly strong action was needed and realised it was then or likely never (mid terms historically bring the out of power into power). They went too far in more ways than most.
The Repubs did offer solutions like tort reform and selling health insurance outside of state lines freely. They offered more. But, just those 2 alone would have saved us billions in health care costs.

They were ignored and accused of being the party of NO, as they had absolutely no power in either the Senate or the House as the left had the super majority in both. All the while the town house meetings were heating up against this ObamaCare thing to a very high degree.

Then, of course Palosi comes out with:

"We have to pass this bill before we find out whats in it"

Thats one thing. The single largest piece of legislation in US History with the highest cost in US history.

That along with the approx $5.3 trillion in debt Palosi's leadership built up in just 4 years. Another record not only for the US. But, for all of human history.

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01-14-2011 12:33 AM  7 years agoPost 67
dilberteinstein

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You gotta admit passing a bill to see what's in it is not a good approach.

The old question:"how do you eat an elephant?" answer: "one bite at a time."

As far as Republicans offering nothing, don't forget GWB enacted the drug cards to help the elderly with the rising costs of prescriptions. That was a little elephant bite.

To move the country to a point where there is no turning back on healthcare is a big danger. This is not free healthcare. It is taxpayer funded healthcare.

Obama went for the homerun when he didn't have to. Now we are stuck with huge overburdening taxes for the rest of our lives.

He did NOTHING with tort reform...zippo.

Had his approach been transparent and open and dealt with the most critical issues, people would have been more accepting.

Instead, we see a further divide taking place because of this.

Surely you must see the error of this approach.

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01-14-2011 12:44 AM  7 years agoPost 68
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Agreed, She...........she....I am not fond of her.

RIP ROMAN

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01-14-2011 12:48 AM  7 years agoPost 69
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Agreed, She...........she....I am not fond of her.
Man, we got a lot of common ground here.

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01-14-2011 01:00 AM  7 years agoPost 70
fla heli boy

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we can all sing "koombya"(sp) now!!!!

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01-14-2011 01:03 AM  7 years agoPost 71
Frank Bostwick

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Health care.
If we just throw out whats been done, it will just entrench the folks who did it. Of course leading to further paralyzation. More Im right, you are satin. There needs to be moves made to bring back honest discourse and mutual respect. Battling out the details is fine, twisting the political elbow has its place. Working the system has its place as well.

I think we move on from here. Some very basic questions need to be asked. What is the national consensus on what our society's goals are in terms of caring for the health of our citizens? What do we spend on HC now? (in overarching terms). How do the goals and money pool align? And many more. There is no clear picture of what WE want, what it costs, and the best way to supply it. Not to mention hard stuff like; should a 75 Y/O get a heart transplant? Even if he can pay for it?

RIP ROMAN

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01-14-2011 01:17 AM  7 years agoPost 72
fla heli boy

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Not to mention hard stuff like; should a 75 Y/O get a heart transplant? Even if he can pay for it?
And there's the hard part. And THERE is where rationing will kick in. Guaranteed. Our other big problem is, if we get this moving forward, we are going to have a big shortage of doctors and nurses. My daughter has very good grades and for the last 1-1/2 years, she has been unable to get into the nursing program at her university. Our "American" doctors are getting old. Pretty soon we won't know whether to ask for an apendectomy or a Slurpee. But I digress.....
The one thing I said the right couldn't do, is EXACTLY what they're doing now. Threatening repeal and yet bringing no good alternatives to the table. The only way this flies is if they come prepared with some alternatives and they have none. Apparently, they learned no more from November than the Libs did.
You're right FBoss. The left will now just dig in their heels and nothing will get done. Who's the winner??? It sure isn't us.

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01-14-2011 01:27 AM  7 years agoPost 73
Dennis (RIP)

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The one thing I said the right couldn't do, is EXACTLY what they're doing now. Threatening repeal and yet bringing no good alternatives to the table.
Thats not true. The very near future will show that.
The left will now just dig in their heels and nothing will get done. Who's the winner??? It sure isn't us.
They might just do that. If we don't do it smartly to over ride them, then Obama wins in 2012 and ObamaCare gets enacted in full. An additional $10 trillion in debt for the next 20 years when we are $14.3 trillion in debt now that we are having a very hard time with seeing how just the first $14 trillion is going to get paid.

Just the interest on the debt we have now is something like $500 billion per year. Thats not counting the additional debt that ObamaCare will give us.

Not a pretty picture in my mind.

Just sayin

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01-14-2011 01:34 AM  7 years agoPost 74
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So who spent the money on the T-shirts? And you are telling me that this event was not coordinated with Obama's staff? I say bullsh.

The speech was disgusting and shallow. Compare it to Reagan's 4 minute speech to the nation after the Challenger disaster.

keepin' it real

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01-14-2011 02:10 AM  7 years agoPost 75
dilberteinstein

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I have to go back to the 2000+ page healthcare bill.

I was never given the information on what the adminstration thought was wrong with our present heathcare system and what needed to be fixed.

I just woke up one morning and found out Obama signed a bill into law. What was in the bill? Nobody knew what was in the bill...not even Obama.

Obama's big issue was transparency in government and yet he pushed through a bill with no transparency. When we complained, we were condemned for even questioning Obama.

I'm sorry. This bill needs to be broken down into small bits such that it can understood and digested.

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01-14-2011 02:16 AM  7 years agoPost 76
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From the Washigton Post
My home-state senator, Jim Webb (D.-Va.), made a remarkable statement yesterday. The Virginian-Pilot reported on his appearance in Norfolk:

The Obama administration "did a really terrible job handling health care reform," he said, because the president relied on Congress to draft a plan.

"You can't turn something that complicated loose on the United States Congress," he said, adding that the resulting debate led to great public confusion.

"People got scared. People got mad.... We lost an enormous amount of time on health care.... Both sides made bad mistakes."

Wait a second. Didn't he vote for the monstrous bill? Well, sure. He was the 60th Senator -- each Democrat was -- on the critical cloture vote. So is he saying he didn't know how bad the bill was, or is he saying he cast a bad vote? Neither answer is a winner.

It's not clear that he is going to seek re-election, but if so, he better be able to answer those questions.

http://voices.washingtonpost.com/ri...nator_webb.html

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01-14-2011 03:14 AM  7 years agoPost 77
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the only thing worse than an attorney, is a retarded attorney ....and DC is chock full of 'em.

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