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01-03-2011 01:41 AM  7 years agoPost 1
Wayne Parrish

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How many of the turbine heli drivers are actually getting their AMA turbine waivers ?? Be honest now . This is just for curiosity. Thanks

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01-03-2011 01:52 AM  7 years agoPost 2
External Pilot

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Turbine waiver
Not sure many people would want to admit to not having a turbine waiver on a public forum. I know people dont like this response, but if your not flying at a AMA field or event and dont want or expect the AMA to cover you, then a waiver does not matter.

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01-03-2011 02:01 AM  7 years agoPost 3
A&P

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I had my fist turbine months before I got my waiver. I've had my AMA for many years but I fly mostly at a non-sanctioned field. I got my waiver so I can fly my scale helis at events and fun flies. It's not a big deal to get it.

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01-03-2011 02:01 AM  7 years agoPost 4
Dr.Tim

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Getting your waiver is a pretty simple process ... makes no sense Not to get one.

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01-03-2011 02:06 AM  7 years agoPost 5
Copter Doctor

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i will probably never own a turbine heli but i have always been curious, whats involved and how much does it cost? if my buddy has a turbine and wants to give me a go, do i have to have a waiver too?

drive a rotary, fly a rotorcraft

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01-03-2011 02:16 AM  7 years agoPost 6
TaylorDrain

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It is definitely a good thing to have if you own a turbine. Not a good feeling when you go to a meet and everyone is asking you to fly and you do not have your waiver. I think I was the 3rd of 5th in the US to have it, one year I did not renew my AMA and I lost the waiver and had to take all the tests over. Always a good thing to be safe with a turbine and having the waiver shows to others that you can operate it in a safe manner.

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01-03-2011 02:17 AM  7 years agoPost 7
ppridday

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The turbine waiver can be completed by most any competent pilot. The requirements are posted on the AMA website and detail the procedure. If you can hover in all directions and perform autos you are pretty much good to go. Nice thing is you don't even need to use your turbine to complete it in case you are not comfortable auto'ing in your heli. Any 90 size will do though I'm not sure if elecrics are included??? (I imagine also a large size gasser would do)

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01-03-2011 02:38 AM  7 years agoPost 8
heliwreckr

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since it says 60 to 90 sized machines, 660mm blades or longer should fill the bill.
However, that's a conversation to have with the gentleman signing the waiver.
Unless you're talking to Dr Tim, you shouldn't have any problem

paul

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01-03-2011 03:21 AM  7 years agoPost 9
Havoc

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I have known of two who didn't have the waiver and flew turbines. They flew at farms. That's the aspect of the waiver process I don't like. The people who could use help and supervision can't fly at the most likely source of that help and supervision. They probably were not going to drive that far to meet a turbine CD to get the turbine waiver anyway. I offered to get the CD if they worked on the maneuver list but that has been awhile. There are a number of RC enthusiasts that could care less about clubs, the ama, or the forums. It took some time for me to come around but I now refer to them as "the smart ones".

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01-03-2011 03:22 AM  7 years agoPost 10
Peter Wales

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As a turbine CD, I am more interested in the pilots ability to control his machine than I am in his performing the AMA schedule precisely. I usually invite applicants to strut their stuff and warm up before taking the test and my neighbors have watched some amazing flying.

Then I ask them to hover at each of 90 degrees and they struggle. Then I get them to fly fast and strong and there is no problem, but the final auto part can be a problem.

The most qualified pilots are the FAI guys and when testing several guys I told one guy he had to land somewhere in the same county. Then Gordie Meade was up and his auto had to be within 1" of the mark. Both guys passed

The test is to ensure the pilot can handle a big powerful helicopter and I think judgment is needed by the tester to assess whether he succeeds or not.

Emile, you would pass with no problem if I were testing you. It costs nothing and all you need is a 60 or bigger pod and boom, a turbine CD and a turbine waiver holder to watch.

The other thing I watch is how you check your helicopter before takeoff as a simple mistake could lead to a nasty result. So make sure your pressure pipe is on the muffler

Peter Wales
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01-03-2011 03:53 AM  7 years agoPost 11
ppridday

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The other thing I watch is how you check your helicopter before takeoff as a simple mistake could lead to a nasty result. So make sure your pressure pipe is on the muffler
True.... a preflight on a turbine is VERY important. When they go in it is a nasty affair. The fire extinguisher can be a life saver (and maybe a heli saver) at this point.

Paul

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01-03-2011 04:01 AM  7 years agoPost 12
JestRR

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Got mine!!! Got it when i started doing test flights on turbines for new or repaired machines. Its just like Peter said, its all about the attitude of the pilot. Do they do preflights, how are they for safety in regards to where and when to fly and where are the spectators. Any one can get to a point were they can hover in any direction and auto down but if they are idiots or just don't care then they shouldn't have a weaver for flying at events and at sanctioned clubs.

BTW, i'll be working on getting my Turbine CD this year and the last time i looked there wasn't many in Oregon.

Mike Spinner
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01-03-2011 04:06 AM  7 years agoPost 13
gonzalom

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I have both for turbine Helos and Jets and it cost you nothing to have them. Plus you can fly with other people at different events with the same interest, which personally is a big part of the fun. My question for you is why not getting a waiver?

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01-03-2011 04:52 AM  7 years agoPost 14
Wayne Parrish

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WOW, No one got offended by the question ! I appreciate the reply,but the reason for the question was that I had a gent ask me if you had to have a waiver ? I of course said yes if you are at a sanctioned field and also f you just wanted to be safe ,period. I thought that there may be some out there in heli land that actually don't or didn't know that it was a requirement by the AMA. Please don't think I was just trying to accuse or be nosey ,just food for thought.Have a GREAT NEW YEAR everyone !!!

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01-03-2011 07:38 AM  7 years agoPost 15
Copter Doctor

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if my buddy has a turbine and wants to give me a go, do i have to have a waiver too?
still not sure about this part.

drive a rotary, fly a rotorcraft

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01-03-2011 12:38 PM  7 years agoPost 16
Peter Wales

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If you dont have the waiver, the AMA insurance will not cover you when you crash and hurt something or somebody.

If you are prepared to take that risk, go ahead and fly your buddies turbine. However, there is one other risk you are taking if you do that.

When you have landed, you WILL WANT ONE OF YOUR OWN

Peter Wales
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01-05-2011 04:40 AM  7 years agoPost 17
Ace Dude

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Folks, I was just looking at the Rotory Wing Turbin Waiver Application form on the AMA website: http://modelaircraft.org/files/510-f.pdf

Part two states:

2. Turbine Starting
a. Pilot demonstrates knowledge of ground support equipment
b. Pilot demonstrates knowledge of abort procedures
c. Pilot demonstrates knowledge of and performs safe engine start

Can this be accomplished w/o the use a turbine powered aircraft in order for one to obtain their waiver?

  

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01-05-2011 08:20 AM  7 years agoPost 18
R.J.

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In the AMA SAFETY REGULATIONS FOR MODEL AIRCRAFT
POWERED BY GAS TURBINES ( http://modelaircraft.org/files/510-a.pdf )

2) Rotary wing and Control Line: As part of the application process, the applicant will demonstrate general knowledge of turbine operation/maintenance, such as ECU configuration, fail-safe set-up, firefighting equipment, turbine lag management, etc.
a) Rotary wing: Using a helicopter with 0.60 cubic inch displacement or larger or a turbine engine. Aircraft must be capable of 50 mph forward flight speed.

So I would read your post to mean that you could fly a non-turbine helicopter for the qualification flight, but the examiner could ask you questions about turbine operation.

Of course it will ultimately be up to the examiners to decide what you have to do for them to sign you off. I flew two qualification flights with a MA Fury .61, one for each examiner, as they were not on the same day. Each asked me to perform different maneuvers from the other.

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01-06-2011 08:58 PM  7 years agoPost 19
Billj

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Wayne,
I hold a Turbine Rotary waiver. Just sent in my application for my Rotary Turbine CD.

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01-06-2011 09:31 PM  7 years agoPost 20
Wayne Parrish

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GREAT BILL,now I know who to go to if I can ever afford it ! WP

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