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01-02-2011 03:12 PM  7 years agoPost 1
jawelsh

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I can't decide if I want to get the Nitro or Electric 700 for 3D. I hear that the electrics are running upwards of 11Hp, but I've always been a nitro guy.

Help me decide.

John

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01-02-2011 04:02 PM  7 years agoPost 2
Dr.Ben

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Read any one of the many "electric verus nitro" threads and see what you think after that. Effectively the question you have posed here, even though it's brand specific, is the very same one.

Ben Minor

Peak Aircraft/Team Minicopter Team Futaba Team Kontronik USA

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01-02-2011 04:06 PM  7 years agoPost 3
Ronald Thomas

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They will both 3D well, just do it a bit differently.

Team MikadoUSA 480XXTreme, 550SX, 600SX, 700XXTreme, 800XXTreme!!

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01-02-2011 05:52 PM  7 years agoPost 4
flyride

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Both have their perks, I went all electric last year and love my electrics but it can get costly to setup with chargers batteries etc but fuel in a 700 can cost an arm and a leg also. I like the electric because it is clean (no oil mess to clean up and clean when you work on them and do repairs) and the motor is constant no need to always tune it for temp etc. I also like the fact that if I want to run my heli up without blades or something to check gears or track vibrations ( nice with the vbar) and stuff like that I can do it on my bench indoors without all the smoke. Nitro does have longer flight times and you dont have to charge every flight but you do have to tune engine for conditions and also clean up the mess after a day of flying. They both are great and fly awesome you just have to decide what direction you want to go, since the price of batteries has come down so much that is why I decided to make the full jump to electric and I love it for myself!! Good luck with you decision..

and the blonde said "RECTUM, Hell damn near killed em!!"

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01-02-2011 09:01 PM  7 years agoPost 5
cudaboy_71

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this is not a flybarless dilemma. this is a Nvs.E dilemma. That's a personal choice.

I prefer a healthy dose of each for my regular flying needs. I *PREFER* electric power on ALL fronts with the following exceptions:

up-front cost of ownership (batteries)
flight times (short)

so, i have a coupla juice burners to keep me going while the packs are charging, and in the off chance i don't have enough $$$ to replenish spent packs.

if it ain't broke, break it.

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01-03-2011 01:21 PM  7 years agoPost 6
Ed in Kansas

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Plan on buying both! Then whichever one you buy first doesn't matter as much. I've got a R90/R60 nitro and a trex600e, but i fly the electric most of the time.

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01-03-2011 02:40 PM  7 years agoPost 7
lowflyer101

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Let your pocket decide for you . 700E needs extra $ for high power charger , power supplies, generator, muli lipo packs

For 3D both are good in the hand of pro pilots

<-freedoom flyer->

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01-03-2011 03:49 PM  7 years agoPost 8
Santiago P

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Help me decide
John,
Take a step back, and now look at your nitro fuel supplier.
Q1. Are you happy with their availability and prices?
Q2. Do you enjoy tunning nitro engines and can you still get power and longevity out of them?

If the the answer to those questions is yes, stay with nitro.
If no, consider electrics.

We realize that electrics have more power, and run smooother, and are cleanner, BUT, is not without pain. The 12S setup is more affordable than ever, but still cost a pretty penny and need to use carefull power management to make the batteries last long enough to make it economically feasible, otherwise your batteries will live only a few cycles and the cost per flight would be ridiculous. If you are carefull, cheaper batteries can last you over 75cycles.

Here is another way of putting it:
If money is no object to you, go electric.

This is something YOU HAVE TO DECIDE FOR YOURSELF.

Santiago

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01-03-2011 11:50 PM  7 years agoPost 9
yannick

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South Korea

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I have both,

All the reasons above are good but there is another one more important for me. The fun (or lack of) linked to the risk of crash on the 12S electric.

for me the Electric (E aurora)is Wayyyy better day by day than the nitro, but I cant take risk with it as if I crash and punch a pack, the risk is to loose the whole machine in a fine firework...

This is why I use (and love) my 90 nitro (Rave ENV) for the new risky stuff (I put it in the dirt already twice...) but not problem or risk to loose the whole machine. A nitro crash is a crash and that is it. you just repair and fly again. The consequence of the same crash on the electric can be much more expensive.

In conclusion, If you choose electric, you must keep in mind the risk to burn the whole machine in the crash and think if this will slow you down in flight or not... That depends of your flying skills and mindset.

just my 2 cents

good luck with your choice.

Yannick

Is it me or this time the ground was higher than last time??

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01-04-2011 12:17 AM  7 years agoPost 10
Twrecks600

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In conclusion, If you choose electric, you must keep in mind the risk to burn the whole machine in the crash and think if this will slow you down in flight or not... That depends of your flying skills and mindset.

just my 2 cents

good luck with your choice.

Yannick
I have had both nitro and electrics and I kinda disagree with this statement. I have one electric Trex 600 that I have had for 2.5 years and have crashed it approximately 18 times and have NEVER toasted my machine. Never even smoked a pack. On the other hand, I have had 2 nitro machines that I have totaled. I'm talking about breaking the motor, servos, frame, etc... Total re-kit on both. Granted, both crashes were from about 500' high and they went full throttle into the ground (faulty Align 2-1), but a total none the less!! My trusty electric is still hanging tough!!

BTW, I am ALL electric now. I was dropping $250.00 per month in fuel for the nitro, not including plugs, fuel tubing, etc... I fly an 8s setup in my electric which costs me $150.00 for the pack and I am getting around 100 to 150 cycles on the batts. I have 3 8s packs and can literally fly all day back to back!! I DO miss the smell and sound of the nitro but I HATE the mess and the constant tinkering!!

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01-04-2011 12:35 AM  7 years agoPost 11
jawelsh

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San Antonio, TX

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Thanks guys, this helps.

I do know how to tune engines and fuel is not an issue.

It seems that electric will be the new era of models and the power output is more than anyone would ever need. (Who am I kidding. More power!!!) My main concern with a 700 size electric is the "fire" aspect. I would hate to have a complete heli go up in smoke! However, you can total a nitro heli too. I remember in '94 at the Mt. Pleasent, TX FF a gentleman had a brand new Futura SE ($1200 kit at that time) completely destroyed because it went into failsafe and did the chicken dance on the asphalt runway.

So, I compromised today. I got a Trex 550 3G! I figure the batteries are the same size and if I want to do an electric 700 I'll have the batts already. I will probably do a Nitro 700 later. :-)

JAW

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01-04-2011 01:29 AM  7 years agoPost 12
tamro

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Fort Mill South Carolina USA

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have a look
This used to be my problem trying to figure out if I should fly electric or Nitro. I found that having a little bit of both satisfied my needs. If you want to go electric, consider the mid size helicopters like the T-rex550 or the Atom 500 from compass. They both run on 2600-3300 6S that is affordable and fun to fly. Your flying will improve if you take more changes knowing the cost will be cheaper to fix a crash. Just look at the cost of lipos from Thunder Power or hobbyking.

http://www.thunderpowerrc.com/PDF/T...cing.pdf#page=3

http://www.hobbyking.com/hobbyking/...29&LiPoConfig=6

Keeping a nitro helicopter around to enjoy the flight time and get the power you need to 3D is nice, so just stick to the 700N 3G. You can have one for about $1600 ready to fly new.

HeliPoPTer

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01-04-2011 01:56 AM  7 years agoPost 13
cudaboy_71

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sacramento, ca, u.s.

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My main concern with a 700 size electric is the "fire" aspect. I would hate to have a complete heli go up in smoke!
it can happen to anyone, anywhere. see my gallery.

still, hasnt kept me from flying e. just one of the risks you take. some guys like to fly near big, open bodies of water. risk of total loss there is an equal opportunity employer.

if it ain't broke, break it.

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01-04-2011 02:09 AM  7 years agoPost 14
Twrecks600

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Round Rock, Texas

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Spyder batteries all the way!! TP batts are WAY over rated and WAYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYY over priced!!

http://www.spyderbatteries.com

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01-04-2011 03:46 AM  7 years agoPost 15
knightofcarnage

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chicago

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I have flown mostly electric because of connivance , but i love my nitros more. I have been think too get a 700E but right now to me still does not make sense to get one.

Crashing my 600N or 700N cost are around $180 to $400, that is a price for 1 broken batt in a crash for 700E. Yes burning up a battery is rare but not damaging it. There is plenty of times i have chuck out a battery out a electric heli to have get hit by the main blades. Or ripped out balancing wires etc.The Electric have more HP, great for 3D bad in crash. 700E are slighlty more heavier then nitro. More inertia more damage. Something has to give. Perfic example is in this video. Very simple crash.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Yh_QOsAZAJI

My favorite 700E crash video

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vaWV...feature=related

But if money isn't your concern. You can't go wrong with 700E, but you will miss the nitro smell. I know will get an 700E one day but not until batts become cheaper and have are more durable.
Spyder batteries all the way!! TP batts are WAY over rated and WAYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYY over priced!!
They are more expensive but no way overrated. I used few types of batts. TP,Outrage,True rc,Turnigy and Hyperions. TP seem always be better, for sure i more consistent during flites. Usually lighter and smaller for the same C Rating. Currently there 45C batt are amazing, can't wait until there 65C.

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01-04-2011 04:00 AM  7 years agoPost 16
cudaboy_71

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But if money doesn't consire you. You can't go wrong with 700E
if money didnt concern you, likely you wouldnt be considering between two aligns

let's not start bashing here. it's just a joke. (but, you know it's true)

if it ain't broke, break it.

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01-04-2011 04:35 AM  7 years agoPost 17
Twrecks600

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Have you tried the Spyder's? The are about half the price of the "big names" but deliver equal or greater performance. I used to use TP, Tenergy, and Hyperion but I could only afford a few packs at a time!! I moved to the Zippy's for economical reasons but they just didn't cut it. I tried the Spyders and I have never looked back!!

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01-04-2011 04:46 PM  7 years agoPost 18
knightofcarnage

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No i have not tried Spyders. There is too may batteries manufactures for me to try them all. I will be replacing my 450 batts some time in march/april so i might pick up a pack or two.

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01-05-2011 04:08 AM  7 years agoPost 19
Band1086

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I've had some of both, and I perfer the 700E's for several reasons:

1. Really awesome power, as much as I can use.
2. Fast charging in both batts and chargers is excellent.
3. So smooth I find myself getting lax about using loctite on bolts.
4. So clean it takes only water to wipe bugs and grass off(if I even care to take the time).
5. So quiet I can fly nearly anywhere without people complaining.
6. The initial price to get into it(esp the big E's, as it's always been pretty cheap to get into the little ones) is coming down fairly rapidly. I started when it was very expensive, so I'm very happy about this.
7. The electric power system is very easy to work on.
8. The motors seem to last a very long time with very little maintenance.
9. CG balance stays accurate throughout the flight.
10.On gov mode with proper gearing and enough head room, I can't tell a difference from beginning to end of flight in terms of power.
11. Also, I like that quieter turbine sound as opposed to the N. sound
12. With the 700's the difference in flight time is only about 2-2.5 mins with equal head speeds, and I predict that will lessen as time goes on.

Consequently I have all big E's now, nitro's have gone by the way side in my fleet. Except for my vintage heli's
BTW I flew N's for 10 years before I ever flew an E...

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