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12-31-2010 06:15 PM  7 years agoPost 21
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of course you have the right to "justice". I would never dispute that.

But to hold an ENTIRE country or NATION accountable for something that a minority of their countrymen did is fW@#@$$ MADNESS.

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12-31-2010 06:25 PM  7 years agoPost 22
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But to hold an ENTIRE country or NATION accountable for something that a minority of their countrymen did is fW@#@$$ MADNESS.
Who said that?

You did. You said I blamed "Muslims".

I said I blame "Radical Muslims".

There is a huge difference.

No offense to you. But, you might want to take just a minute longer and read those reply's a second time before responding.

If "Radical Dipsh#ts" attacked us, I would not blame ALL "Dipsh#ts". Just the "Radical" ones.

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12-31-2010 06:30 PM  7 years agoPost 23
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When is a terrorist not a terrorist?When he is trying to remove an invading army,then he is at war.If we were invaded we would do the same,fight till every invader were gone.Afghans are at war with every means at there disposal just like when the Russians invaded and we helped them to remove them with weapons.I cannot understand how someone is a terrorist in their own country if they are fighting an invading army,would we not do the same as in WW2.If they want to fight amongst themselves let them get on and do it,it is none of our business,apart from the fact they have the oil.For every family member killed,there must be a vengefull relation ready to avenge a death,utter madness.

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12-31-2010 06:40 PM  7 years agoPost 24
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No offense to you. But, you might want to take just a minute longer and read those reply's a second time before responding.
I'm not concerned about what YOU think. It's our own country's actions that defined it. And the media defined it. And hence all the paranoia.

The irony of all this, is that although everyone like you say "Im really blaming the Radical Muslims", your actions do not correlate at all. We invade entire countries and nations to get these "Radical Mulsims"? Are we, as nations, completely and utterly f@#@#@ mad or what? If we can agree that the Radical Muslims only account for, say, 1% of the entire population, then by logic we're complete and utter war criminals regarding the 99% are we not?

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12-31-2010 07:03 PM  7 years agoPost 25
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The irony of all this, is that although everyone like you say "Im really blaming the Radical Muslims", your actions do not correlate at all.
My actions ???

Oh I see, you are from London. Now, I do see.
"Im really blaming the Radical Muslims", your actions do not correlate at all. We invade entire countries and nations to get these "Radical Mulsims"?
Yes, we do. If they are knowingly harboring, hiding, funding, etc, etc "Radical Muslims" that have attacked us and fully intend to die trying to kill us today and the future, then go after them no matter where they are, and kill the suckers. They wish to die trying to kill us, then by all means, give them their wish.
I'm not concerned about what YOU think.
Maybe not. But, you are certainly responding to what I think.

If we can agree that the Radical Muslims only account for, say, 1% of the entire population, then by logic we're complete and utter war criminals regarding the 99% are we not?
1% of the entire Muslim population as Radical Muslims happens to be a significant and dangerous number of people. That is quite clear.

As far as the 99%, who ever said we are going after them? We are not. Just the Radical ones that wish to kill us.

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12-31-2010 07:12 PM  7 years agoPost 26
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As far as the 99%, who ever said we are going after them? We are not. Just the Radical ones that wish to kill us.
tell me, Dennis, are you so amazingly blind that we can paint Santa Claus on your forehead and you won't notice?

What do you think happens when you invade a country, eh? Who do you think gets caught in the cross fire? How do you think logistics will get affected, not to mention electricity, water, sanitation, and the hospitals and medical aids needed?

Yes, of course, we're only after the 1%, but you know F@#@#@ it, let the rest of the 99% suffer too. Might was well push the country to civil war while we're about it. With the power structure totally messed up and polarisation of the population what do you think will happen? Then comes the disease, riots, starvation, etc. . .

Yes, silly me, we're only after the 1%. As if the 99% would just let you walk through to go about your business?

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12-31-2010 07:21 PM  7 years agoPost 27
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tell me, Dennis, are you so amazingly blind that we can paint Santa Claus on your forehead and you won't notice?
You are not doing so well as a comedian. But, keep trying.

What do you think happens when you invade a country, eh? Who do you think gets caught in the cross fire? How do you think logistics will get affected, not to mention electricity, water, sanitation, and the hospitals and medical aids needed?
Yes, civilians get caught in the cross fire. Very sad and tragic. But, its also a sad part of war. We are better at preventing that than we have ever been. But, no matter how good we get at it, it will probably happen again.
Yes, of course, we're only after the 1%, but you know F@#@#@ it, let the rest of the 99% suffer too. Might was well push the country to civil war while we're about it. With the power structure totally messed up and polarisation of the population what do you think will happen? Then comes the disease, riots, starvation, etc. . .
Oh, I see. So, its all OUR fault. You forget to mention the totally criminal, a##hole, brutal, killer dictator that we removed form power and the 30 million people that are living in freedom now and creating their won government by a free vote of those 30 million people.

Just forget all that and the sacrifices we made to help that happen. Just forget it. There are a lot that do. Even in our own country. So, you are not alone in that.

To bad.

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12-31-2010 07:25 PM  7 years agoPost 28
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You forget to mention the totally criminal, a##hole, brutal, killer dictator that we removed form power and the 30 million people that are living in freedom now and creating their won government by a free vote of those 30 million people.
would this be the same "criminal, a##hole, brutal, killer dictator" that America put into power in the first place, all those years ago, when it served America's interests?

There's a wonderful comedy sketch I'd like to do:

I can imagine Dennis as playing the part of superman: the man with the amazing ability to see through glass!!!

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12-31-2010 07:32 PM  7 years agoPost 29
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would this be the same "criminal, a##hole, brutal, killer dictator" that America put into power in the first place, all those years ago, when it served America's interests?
Could be. If it is, then he turned on us. Is that our fault when we just may have had very good intentions in putting him there and then he took advantage of that for his own selfish needs?

Yes, thats happened a few times in history. Seems we don't learn from that. Maybe someday we will. Then, maybe nobody gets nothing from us. Would that be better? I don't think so. Chances are, we will remain the most generous nation in the world as we have always been. There will also be those that take advantage of that.
I can imagine Dennis as playing the part of superman: the man with the amazing ability to see through glass!!!
Keep trying to be the comedian. It still ain't working so well. Maybe someday with practice.

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12-31-2010 07:55 PM  7 years agoPost 30
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you see the problem with all this is the bias: America is all good and nice etc. . .

this raises ethical issues, because how can a country label itself "good" just because it chooses to?

You did what you had to do, to serve your OWN interests. At least have the decency to be honest about it.

But if we are to be impartial about this, what was done was totally criminal.

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12-31-2010 08:03 PM  7 years agoPost 31
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you see the problem with all this is the bias: America is all good and nice etc. . .
Yeah but. We are.
this raises ethical issues, because how can a country label itself "good" just because it chooses to?
Ethical issues ??

Maybe to those that take money and help from us, but refuse to recognize that and still call us selfish, evil, and greedy.

I think thats more likely the case here. In other words, there are a lot of folks out there that are simply jealous of us.
You did what you had to do, to serve your OWN interests. At least have the decency to be honest about it.
Along with our own interests, our allies as well. I see that YOU are one of our allies.

If you don't consider us an ally, then just who the heck are your friends?

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12-31-2010 08:12 PM  7 years agoPost 32
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Yeah but. We are.
the logical point is this: if you DEFINE what is right and wrong, you can't say you are GOOD, can you? Because you define what is right and wrong, yes? It would be a total logical absurdity to call yourself "good" if you define right and wrong yourself.
I think thats more likely the case here. In other words, there are a lot of folks out there that are simply jealous of us.
I'm aware of that, my point is that the US and the UK don't give money in foreign aid etc. . . unless it serves our own selfish interests, either directly or indirectly. There are plenty of corrupt leaders/governments in the world that need to be overthrown etc. . we don't do anything about them because it's not in our interests to.

At least be honest about that.

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12-31-2010 08:24 PM  7 years agoPost 33
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the logical point is this: if you DEFINE what is right and wrong, you can't say you are GOOD, can you? Because you define what is right and wrong, yes?
Please show me where I said I was defining right & wrong.

Go for it.
I'm aware of that, my point is that the US and the UK don't give money in foreign aid etc. . . unless it serves our own selfish interests, either directly or indirectly.
Maybe so. But, don't you think that that just might be a way of gaining friends?

I realize that sometimes it don't always work like that and works against you. Thats life. You have to at least try.
There are plenty of corrupt leaders/governments in the world that need to be overthrown etc. . we don't do anything about them because it's not in our interests to.
Not as long as they are not harming either us or our allies, they can go about their business and its up to their own people to fix their own problems.
At least be honest about that
I think I have been. Do you think otherwise?

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12-31-2010 08:37 PM  7 years agoPost 34
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Please show me where I said I was defining right & wrong.
you said what America does is "good", but you yourself are one of its citizens. Can't you see the absurdity of that?

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12-31-2010 08:39 PM  7 years agoPost 35
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you said what America does is "good", but you yourself are one of its citizens. Can't you see the absurdity of that?
Saying what our nation does is "Good" is a long ways from actually defining what is good & bad.

But, it would be setting an example of whats good.

Don't you think?

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12-31-2010 08:50 PM  7 years agoPost 36
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Sounds as though Iraq is a fun place to be now with all this new found freedom and free voting.The same groups are fighting each other which makes one think that very little has changed.It is like Catholics and protestants in Northern Ireland.Anyone listen to the news coming from Iraq these days?

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12-31-2010 09:04 PM  7 years agoPost 37
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Saddam Hussein ensured stability in Iraq for 20 years with a bloodsoaked tyranny that was the only way to keep as lid on the ethnic divide,one side wins and the others a bloody loser.The wests influence will have very little effect once the troops go home.A temporary stability at best.Shiite,Sunni and Kurds are the problem,till they learn to live together as Iraq,s there will never be peace.What did we get?Some nameless companies got spoils from Iraq and made a lot of money,we got a lot more terrorists.

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12-31-2010 09:55 PM  7 years agoPost 38
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The wests influence will have very little effect once the troops go home.A temporary stability at best.
Maybe you are right.

Hopefully, and for the sake of the innocent over there, lets hope you are wrong.

Only history will know the answer to that.
Sounds as though Iraq is a fun place to be now with all this new found freedom and free voting.
No one can deny that we have helped to give them the tools to freedom. It really is up to them how they use those tools. Eventually, we will leave and they will be on their own to use those tools.

I don't think we can stop those suicide bombers. Thats up to them to work out. Maybe they will. Maybe they won't.

Yes, they have been fighting for centuries. Since that is the case, then they have never had a better chance at peace than now. If they don't grab at it and screw it up, then they tell the entire world that. And its possible, the rest of the world will never come to their aid again and the terrorists win. Not a very good scenario in my mind. Certainly not for the innocents over there. After all, aren't they the ones we went over there to help?

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01-01-2011 12:23 AM  7 years agoPost 39
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Yes, they have been fighting for centuries. Since that is the case, then they have never had a better chance at peace than now. If they don't grab at it and screw it up, then they tell the entire world that. And its possible, the rest of the world will never come to their aid again and the terrorists win. Not a very good scenario in my mind. Certainly not for the innocents over there. After all, aren't they the ones we went over there to help?
It's great to know that, by your comments alone, that you are totally ignorant and utterly naive. But there you go . . .

The operative word here is "they". And the view you express is total niave because, basically, YOU DON'T know them and have NEVER been in the situation that the country is in now. You only have a superficial representation of the problem, one that your government/media WANTS you to see. It is an infinitely more complex problem than you can imagine. Think about it: if the problem was so simple and easily resolved, then why have they not resolved it after all this time?

If you think "we went over there to help" then you are utterly naive, and as much a victim of media propaganda as the rest of the general public.

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01-01-2011 01:27 AM  7 years agoPost 40
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It's great to know that, by your comments alone, that you are totally ignorant and utterly naive. But there you go . . .
You know. I see that word ignorant a lot on the Internet. I have used it myself a few times.

But, not any more. I think that word ignorant is a bit over used.
YOU DON'T know them and have NEVER been in the situation that the country is in now.
Of course I don't.

But, I will hope the best for the vast majority of 30 million innocents over there as a direct result of us being there to help them. The Iraqi people are, as a general rule a kind, generous, and self sustaining people.

If you think in a self described "Real World", and think they cannot live in peace with one another, regardless of us being there to help them, then thats your business.

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