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12-30-2010 08:41 AM  7 years agoPost 1
Justin Pucci

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Hey all,

I've got a 5003D and a 600SE right now. The SE is so amazing that I swear I could see myself never picking up another heli again. It's that awesome... The 5003D is great too, but it's obviously smaller, has odd proportions (purely an aesthetics argument), and it's own set of parts. Most people say that the 6003D/SE kits are as good as it gets right now and lots of people end up upgrading their 500's to 600's eventually.

I'm looking to get my fleet finalized for the upcoming season and I don't want to mess with builds, excessive tweaking, and the like this year...it's all about the flying for 2011, so the thought was that I would convert the 5003D to a 6003D and fly it and my 600SE exclusively this year.

This would get me two similarly sized birds with mostly common parts and with a just enough of a difference in flying qualities (hard/agressive versus smooth/floaty) to keep my options open throughout the season as my personal style develops.

Here are my questions:

1. If I'm only going to be swinging Edge 603's on the 6003D conversion, do I need to go through the 500-to-600 head upgrade right now? I know that I'll do it eventually, but some of the parts needed aren't in stock at RH, so I'd have to wait on them to come back in.

2. I'm thinking 4035-500 on a 12T Mod1 pinion and a CC Ice 80HV...that'll get me 2150RPM without going into Castle's red zone. General thoughts on the motor choice? I'm not ready to upgrade to Kontronik yet, as I'd like to give the V-Bar gov and the Revco Ampz ESC's a try first...

3. Sharing packs with my SE would be great, but I'm running Turnigy 4000's right now, which come in at 1300g per 12S pack. I've got one Voltz 4200 12S pack that's 1200g, but both weights still seem a bit heavy for a 6003D. Could I get away with it if I put a QUK tail on it and maybe a bit of extra weight?

4. The more that I think about it, the more I'm tempted to experiment a bit by flying on the existing 6S power system for a bit before going to 12S. What are your thoughts on running a 6003D on a Scorpion 4020-1100/6S 5000 30C system swinging 553's? How about swinging 603's?

I know that the 4020-1100 isn't quite the powerhouse that it's 4025-1100 big bro is, but I wonder... This bird will go 12S eventually, but for now it's worth fooling around with to gain experience and an added point of comparison, right?

If you can think of any other considerations that I should be making or any reasons for or against doing this conversion, please feel free to let me know. Thank you for your help!

PS Sorry for the really long post...I think that may have been why it hasn't gotten any responses on the other forum.

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12-30-2010 02:09 PM  7 years agoPost 2
Maxime30

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I don't think the bigger head is absolutely needed if you stay with the 603s, unless you are into very hard 3D flying. I think you should change your dampers for the hard ones, though.

Many guys run their 600 with a 12s 4000 setup at our field. Yes it's a bit heavy, but still very reasonnable for a 600 sized bird. I personnally share my 12s 3600 and 3300 packs between my 600 and 600SE. (I'm more of a big air manoeuvers than hard 3d).

Max

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12-30-2010 02:13 PM  7 years agoPost 3
Maxime30

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Balance is perfect with the 3600 and the stock tail on my 600 ( I used to run a Kontronik Pyro 30-12, now a Neu 1915H-1.5y). One guy runs a heavy Xera 4035 and 4000s in his 600, I think it was a bit nose heavy, so yes the QUK tail could help a bit. I run the same Xera motor in my 600SE, with the QUK tail, and the batteries need to be placed about 1 inche forward of the back of the battery tray for proper balance. That's with a Jive 80HV ESC though. If you run a BEC, install it behind the Center of Gravity.

Max

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12-31-2010 04:19 AM  7 years agoPost 4
Justin Pucci

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Thanks for the input, Max! That makes me feel a bit better about sharing packs. 4000's should be good to start with and if I need to drop a bit of weight, I may look at the 3600's. Voltz has a pretty sweet-looking 3700 pack too and even their 4200 packs are lighter than my Turnigy 4000's...

No, I'm not into hardcore, smack-3D right now...I'd characterize my (developing) style as Big-Air 3D, if that makes any sense. So, that said, I think I'll stick with the 500 head for now and run 603's. Out of curiosity, why do you suggest a change of dampers? Are the 500 stock dampers sufficiently different from the 600's so as to affect the flight characteristics?

Does anyone have any thoughts on running the converted 6003D on a 6S system swinging 603's? That's the last bit of input that I'd really appreciate so that I can make the decision of whether to buy the 12S power system now or wait a bit.

Thanks again for all the help!

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12-31-2010 04:54 AM  7 years agoPost 5
Maxime30

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I think the 500 has medium dampers. You really want the hard ones. I swung 600s with the mdeium dampers and they were too soft, so the blade grips rubbed against the head block. Now I use hard dampers with the thick shims that comes with the medium dampers (you can double up the shims that comes with the hard dampers too, I think they are .5mm, so you make them 1mm. The medium dampers comes with 1mm spacers, unles things have changed since the last time I bought a set). Hope it all make sense...

Max

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12-31-2010 02:03 PM  7 years agoPost 6
Smacka

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This is a cool thread. I am learning more and more about the Mikado line each day on RR...good stuff!

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01-01-2011 04:16 AM  7 years agoPost 7
Justin Pucci

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Max, that makes perfect sense to me. I'll look into getting some of the hard dampers from RH. Thanks!

Smacka, I'm glad you're learning, but I'd have figured you knew most of this. Don't you have a few Logos already?

Has anyone at all flown a 6003D on a 6S system? If so, please share your thoughts...positive or negative! Otherwise, I'm going to have to give it a try!

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01-01-2011 05:19 AM  7 years agoPost 8
HilliHeli

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I think mmc205 had his set-up with a Scorpion/CC power-system on 6S @ some point (?)

I know of one other (who says it Fly's Fantastic !!) but didn't think you wanted to go that route (Kontronik Drives)

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01-01-2011 06:15 AM  7 years agoPost 9
Smacka

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Yepper...400 & 600 but I am always learning new things I had not considered. Always nice to have a fresh set of peepers looking at the job at hand

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01-01-2011 07:38 AM  7 years agoPost 10
Justin Pucci

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Hilli, thank you for the info. I'll see if I can get mmc205 in PM's to get his take on it. I may eventually find my way to Kontronik...don't worry!

Smacka, I agree with you completely! That's why I love the forums...there's always an alternative way of asking the same old boring question that gets people thinking. This thread may not be a shining example of that , but if it helps someone else in addition me, then I'm happy!

As a general update, I got all of my conversion parts in the mail today and have finished the most important bit of it...the canopy standoffs and the skids. This allows my 5003D to wear a 600 neon red/blue canopy that matches my 600SE. It's kind of funny actually. It looks like a REALLY big pod with tiny blades and a stump of a boom.

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