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12-31-2010 08:39 PM  7 years agoPost 121
LonR

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laughingstill
@ Lon, that 5% can kills packs
I can read pretty good and even understand someone that can't .Read my post VERY slow so you understand what I said.See,you think I said im running a 95% throttle curve which I never said.How did you get a 95% throttle curve out of what I said in the quote below
About 95% of my videos
Maybe you think videos is short for throttle curve ?

On my radio theres a switch for idleup.Idleup 1 is the low headspeed which is at 2950RPMs (85% throttle curve) and idleup 2 is the highest headspeed which is just under 3200RPMs (100% throttle curve).
idle 1 which is 2950
Now read my post before this one so you understand what I said.Im not being funny or a smart butt,just trying to make sure you understand what I said ..

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12-31-2010 08:42 PM  7 years agoPost 122
LonR

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I can see your post just fine Al, also understand them very well .

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12-31-2010 09:02 PM  7 years agoPost 123
rexxigpilot

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laughingstill
@ Lon, that 5% can kills packs
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I can read pretty good and even understand someone that can't .Read my post VERY slow so you understand what I said.See,you think I said im running a 95% throttle curve which I never said.How did you get a 95% throttle curve out of what I said in the quote below

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About 95% of my videos
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Maybe you think videos is short for throttle curve ?

On my radio theres a switch for idleup.Idleup 1 is the low headspeed which is at 2950RPMs (85% throttle curve) and idleup 2 is the highest headspeed which is just under 3200RPMs (100% throttle curve).
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idle 1 which is 2950
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Now read my post before this one so you understand what I said.Im not being funny or a smart butt,just trying to make sure you understand what I said ..
I thought he was refering to the other 5% of the time you run in idleup2 at 3200 RPM.

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12-31-2010 09:13 PM  7 years agoPost 124
LonR

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Show me where I said that in the post he replyed to?Please don't make it look like you went to the same school .

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12-31-2010 09:48 PM  7 years agoPost 125
rexxigpilot

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You wrote,
About 95% of my videos are in idle 1 which is 2950 so good try on the smack talk
My math tells me that 100%-95% = 5%

And you wrote,
and idleup 2 is the highest headspeed which is just under 3200RPMs (100% throttle curve).
So unless you hover around much the other 5% of the time, you are running WOT for about 5% of the time. This can kill packs!

Oh yeah, laughingstill is my homey..same school.

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12-31-2010 09:54 PM  7 years ago •• Post 126 ••
Ronald Thomas

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Thanks Rexx...I thought it was pretty clear also. We must have gone to the school with the long buses

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12-31-2010 09:59 PM  7 years agoPost 127
rexxigpilot

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Happy New Year everyone. I got to go watch my Knights (That's UCF in case you didn't know). They are tied with Georgia right now.

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12-31-2010 09:59 PM  7 years agoPost 128
LonR

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LOL,I see what your saying.Maybe 15 of my flights out of close to 300 was in idleup 2,thats between six 6 cell lipos.3 flights on each Turnigy just under 2300rpms isn't going to hurt the packs at all..

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12-31-2010 10:06 PM  7 years agoPost 129
LonR

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laughingstill
Thanks Rexx...I thought it was pretty clear also. We must have gone to the school with the long buses
Im sure you did as you still give advice on flying that you can't even do.We took them things called cars..

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12-31-2010 10:32 PM  7 years agoPost 130
LonR

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Laughing,
Why are you still giving advice on 3D setup's and how long packs last that get flown hard when you can't fly 3D?Reading Al's post,it clearly shows that you have no ideal what your talking about.I mean,you posted Al's video trying to bash him just to find out its the crap lipos you talk so highly about.Seems people that fly hard don't like the awesome packs that you get 100+ cycles out of.What about the CC esc's your putting down that he clearly showed how wrong you are..I'll show you why,watch his videos then watch this one below.

Watch at YouTube

Not being funny or bashing so don't take it the wrong way.You could fly Walkrea electronics in that Logo with a 6 cell lipo and not kill it.Im sure you could get 100+ cycles flying the way you do with the above setup.Your trying to tell Al which is well above your flying level how his setup is when you clearly have no clue how a heli flys like that and how long packs/electronics last..You argue with him and others about something you can't even do.
Like I said,im not being mean.I really don't understand why you would tell someone about things you can do.That would be like me telling someone how to build a JR heli or how they fly.I never built or flown one so why give bad advice out.Good luch and I do hope you get their with your flying some day so you know what its like.Later buddy..

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12-31-2010 10:44 PM  7 years agoPost 131
"Cam"

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I’ve flown a few CC ESCs and the entire time I was kicking myself for selling my Kontronik JAZZ 55-10-32.

I think a lot of people don’t realise that the JIVE 80+ HV is really a 150 Amp ESC. NOT an 80A ESC.

That makes it equivalent to the 12S Scorpion, Hyperion and Turnigy. (I don’t know about the biggest Castle unless I do some reading, but I’ve flown the other three and NOT the HV 140A or 160).

Except the Kontronik is water proof, very easy to setup, govs better (I speak for the 10S JAZZ) and has a bec that has unrivalled reliability – which is what I want in my expensive helicopter!
And best of all it’s very small and light.

I believe the extra cost is justified because the JIVE 80+ is really a 150A ESC and I’m paying for the reliability of the in-built BEC.

Yes, The CC has a data logger but wow they make an all-mighty CRRACK when you plug even a 10S battery in!

If, for you, you must think your heli’s got to be the best it can be, so that you can only blame yourself for bad flying (I speak for myself) then it’s got to be Kontronik.

For those who aren’t bothered by a slight drop in headspeed, or don’t even notice it, get a bigger CC ESC and hope your separate BEC stays good.

Kontronik Jive 80+HV 80A ESC 16-50V (150A Max) + Great BEC = £237.03
Castle Creations Phoenix ICE 160A ESC (NO BEC) + Data Logger = £239.99

Happy Flying
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Happy New Year!

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12-31-2010 11:01 PM  7 years agoPost 132
Anthony.L

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Kontronik do not have the "pop" when you plug in hi voltage packs like 10S???

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12-31-2010 11:01 PM  7 years agoPost 133
Ronald Thomas

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Lon
Read my prior posts again and reply. It is simple Lon, some things work, some things do not. I have always done my research, talked to pilots better than myself, and use my personal experience when I give any advice. I may not fly 3D like you guys but when there are proven setups out there that have worked over and over again with multiple pilots and a wide range of flying styles, then they are worth recommending. Kinda like telling someone a 6s power system would not be enough for a "hard 3D" pilot on a Trex 60E swinging 600mm blades. Only to have them run that exact setup with crap electronics, it fail, and then have them blame you because they don't understand basic concepts about electronics.
I realize you are trying to get to RR professor by arguing every point contradictory to your limited understanding but really dude I never said I know it all and I never will. I DO know more about electric helis than you do and that is not bragging..it is just a fact because that is all I fly. You know more about 3D flying and nitros than I do but that is ok with me.......Ron

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12-31-2010 11:01 PM  7 years agoPost 134
Al Austria

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I think a lot of people don’t realise that the JIVE 80+ HV is really a 150 Amp ESC. NOT an 80A ESC.
FWIW, most ESC manufacturers name there ESC's based off of how many amps the ESC can handle CONTINUOUSLY, NOT peak. Your experience is actually pretty typical. The ICE 100 that I ran in my Swift in the videos above has logged over 160 amps under peak loads. I'm running a CC 85HV in my 700E and there is no doubt in my mind that that particular setup is peaking over 120+ amps. Now that said, don't think for one second that that Kontronik 80HV can SUSTAIN 150A for more than a few seconds.
Kontronik Jive 80+HV 80A ESC 16-50V (150A Max) + Great BEC = £237.03
Castle Creations Phoenix ICE 160A ESC (NO BEC) + Data Logger = £239.99
Prices taken from RH:

$399.99 - Kontronik Jive 80+ HV Brushless ESC (Version 9)
$271.99 - Castle Creations Phoenix Ice HV 160A 12s (50V) Brushless ESC

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12-31-2010 11:13 PM  7 years agoPost 135
wc_wickedclown (RIP)

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im using a cc ice 100 on my 500 with the vertigo motor and i really like it.
gotta order 2 65c lipos and ill be happy and done

i have my esc n gov mode set to 3000 rpm but im getting less
i could either buy a 15t pinion or 65c lipo to push it to 3000 rpm
i prefer a 3300mah 65c lipo.

Watch at YouTube

and cc tech support is very good.
does kont offer the same good tech support ?

and thanks Al

Watch at YouTube

i had a lot more power ungoverned

Watch at YouTube

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01-01-2011 12:17 AM  7 years agoPost 136
LonR

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laughingstill Lon

Read my prior posts again and reply. It is simple Lon, some things work, some things do not. I have always done my research, talked to pilots better than myself, and use my personal experience when I give any advice. I may not fly 3D like you guys but when there are proven setups out there that have worked over and over again with multiple pilots and a wide range of flying styles, then they are worth recommending. Kinda like telling someone a 6s power system would not be enough for a "hard 3D" pilot on a Trex 60E swinging 600mm blades. Only to have them run that exact setup with crap electronics, it fail, and then have them blame you because they don't understand basic concepts about electronics.
I realize you are trying to get to RR professor by arguing every point contradictory to your limited understanding but really dude I never said I know it all and I never will. I DO know more about electric helis than you do and that is not bragging..it is just a fact because that is all I fly. You know more about 3D flying and nitros than I do but that is ok with me.......Ron
Do you know what "personal experience" means?It means talk about what "your doing" or what "you used" ,not what Billy Bob down the street told you.You crack me up with all this stuff like "thats never happend to so in so or me,that means you did something wrong" <--read alot of your past post because thats all you say,even when you talk someone into screwing their heli up.I posted the link once that proved your wrong,would you like to see it again?.You claim to know more about electrics than me but it clearly shows in black and white (in the thread that I locked) that I said over 15 times its the esc.You swore up and down its not the esc and I let you talk me into killing 3 6cell packs.Its my own fault for taking your advice so I blame myself,not you.Theres no need to act like you know more than someone else because it can back fire like it did the last time you pulled this.I don't believe in the "RR professor" stats and could care less but you proved that you do with that comment.You don't have to say your a know it all,just read all your past post when someone has a problem with a esc or lipo.Look at the many excuses you make.If someone proved you wrong,you'll think of 10 other things to blame the user.Just because I fly more nitros than you doesn't mean I can't learn something from you.Thats something you don't understand because you think your better than everyone or just me.You argue with Al which clearly proved you wrong but its stuck in your head that your right.Im not attacking you or anything.I just wanna know why you would tell someone they shouldn't reply about something unless they have personal experience but you think its OK for you to do it?Whatever floats your boat I guess..
BTW,
If you can't handle talking and think this might get personal,let's just stop talking.Im not taking anything personal..

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01-01-2011 12:21 AM  7 years agoPost 137
Ronald Thomas

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Kontronik tech support really is not needed. Plenty of great resources here to get your setup right. Program mode 1, then mode 4, and maybe mode 11 if you have different packs.......done. The ESC does the rest.........well

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01-01-2011 12:29 AM  7 years agoPost 138
Al Austria

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I've given Ron multiple opportunities to speak with me, this last time he gives a time that I agree upon and then proceeds to put me on his ignore list and now says that I put HIM on MY ignore list...Go figure.

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01-01-2011 12:41 AM  7 years agoPost 139
Ronald Thomas

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Lon I told you that esc was crap.....you used it anyways....it fried. Btw it was a Castle . What you told me on the phone and what you say in the forums are two totally different things. You told me you changed your name because you wanted a fresh start but you tell everyone here you changed it because you wanted it to be your name. You recently told another member here you got banned for a while because Mark does that to your account every once in a while I think if someone looks at how many linked and deleted posts you have that will tell the true story
I did not say you could not give advice on setups I just refuted your claims of all lipos get only 50-60 cycles if you fly hard. You choose to run 3200 on tha head of a Protos and you use a cheap charger/ balanced to maintain your lipos and you have the gall to say it is your flying that is killing the lipos. So how is it pro pilots, which you are not for sure, get hundreds of cycles out of lipos? I guess they are liars too?
You really need to grow up dude and realize this is a HOBBY. Life is too short to idolize a guy who can fly a remote controlled helicopter. I have things like a great job, family, and good health to be thankful for.
Don't take this personally but go spend more time with your family and log off. Maybe it will help you really see how important those things are and how insignificant the advice from a guy you have never met in person really is........Ron

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01-01-2011 12:41 AM  7 years agoPost 140
LONEWOLF2440

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Now whats this all got to do with this thread

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