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12-30-2010 07:10 PM  7 years agoPost 81
Rogman88

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sometimes it takes trying that other product to truly know and understand the differences
but dang those other products are expensive

High Voltage just works better

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12-30-2010 07:28 PM  7 years agoPost 82
LonR

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Way over priced IMO.

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12-30-2010 08:22 PM  7 years agoPost 83
OICU812

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All a matter of perception and what's important to you and what fits your needs is all.
In any debate if each product in discussion provided exact performance, exact reliability then cost alone could be rioted over. Whether or not a person feels each product here is equal should be qualified only by truthfull depth experience with each. Use what you like.

...Once upon a time there were Nitros, flybars and frequency pins...

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12-30-2010 08:34 PM  7 years agoPost 84
wc_wickedclown (RIP)

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WrenFlyer
Kontronic Jive 100+ $359.99
OICU812
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My Posts This: Topic Forum All a matter of perception and what's important to you and what fits your needs is all.
In any debate if each product in discussion provided exact performance, exact reliability then cost alone could be rioted over. Whether or not a person feels each product here is equal should be qualified only by truthfull depth experience with each. Use what you like.
well said .

now i see why everyone is going nitro .

400 for esc
400 for lipo
500 for generator and chargers
1200 for the 700 kit = ROFL

trex 700 nitro kit with motor 800 bucks and more flight time hmmm

not trying to get off topic but wtf I've just fallin and i cant reach my beer.

if i build my elec trex 700 id have no choice but to buy a cc esc or a used kontronik esc which that's what i guess I'm gonna do.

i own a 450 v2 450 pro raptor 50 and raptor 60 which i wanted to convert to a 90 but im gonna get a elec 700 and leave the 60 alone

thanks for all your advice and opinions you've all been awesome.

youve all been very helpful with your advice and i dont know where i would be without RR and its fine members

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12-30-2010 08:41 PM  7 years agoPost 85
OICU812

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Lol clown throw that log in that fire boy!

...Once upon a time there were Nitros, flybars and frequency pins...

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12-30-2010 08:43 PM  7 years agoPost 86
LonR

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I did alot of reading last night and all I really see is Kontronik has a better gov.They also fail just like Castle esc's do but the reason you don't see as many Kontronik esc's that failed is because they don't sale anywhere close to Castle esc's.Out of 100%,Castle sales close to 85-90% more esc's than Kontronik so the chance of a Castle esc failing or getting that bad one that slipped by is alot higher.Seen a few youtube videos of burnted Kontronik's and threads where they failed.Im willing to bet if Kontronik sold as many esc's as Castle,the failure rate would be close so for a $150-$200 dollar difference,its over priced but thats just my opinion..Im sure its a good esc but the price is crazy..

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12-30-2010 08:44 PM  7 years agoPost 87
wc_wickedclown (RIP)

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OICU812 Lol clown throw that log in that fire boy!
oops

maybe ill buy a KONTRONIK PYRO motor and used KONTRONIK 120hv esc

for the trex 700 since the 700 will be my last build .

then someone can teach me how to fly these things lol
LonR
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My Posts This: Topic Forum I did alot of reading last night and all I really see is Kontronik has a better gov.They also fail just like Castle esc's do but the reason you don't see as many Kontronik esc's that failed is because they don't sale anywhere close to Castle esc's.Out of 100%,Castle sales close to 85-90% more esc's than Kontronik so the chance of a Castle esc failing or getting that bad one that slipped by is alot higher.Seen a few youtube videos of burnted Kontronik's and threads where they failed.Im willing to bet if Kontronik sold as many esc's as Castle,the failure rate would be close so for a $150-$200 dollar difference,its over priced but thats just my opinion..Im sure its a good esc but the price is crazy..
well said but its all about the bling and keepin up with those nice people the jones.

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12-30-2010 09:05 PM  7 years agoPost 88
wc_wickedclown (RIP)

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Kontronik Jive 120+ HV Brushless ESC (Version 9)

Availability: Out of Stock

Your Price: $539.99

Kontronik Pyro 600-09 Brushless Motor

Availability: In Stock

Your Price: $294.99

almost 900 for motor and esc will the kont 600 motor fit a 700 or do i need the pyro 700 motor ?

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12-30-2010 09:10 PM  7 years agoPost 89
OICU812

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700 t-Rex electric right? Try Align 510mx, should work fine for your needs? Peeps say they are ok, can't be sure waiting for weather to try it myself.

...Once upon a time there were Nitros, flybars and frequency pins...

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12-30-2010 09:36 PM  7 years agoPost 90
wc_wickedclown (RIP)

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OICU812 700 t-Rex electric right? Try Align 510mx, should work fine for your needs? Peeps say they are ok, can't be sure waiting for weather to try it myself.
id use the align motor if i where building a beater or low on cash.

yea but you know me im lookin at his baby

PYRO 700-52

In 3D helicopter flight a motor is heavily used. And it is exactly for this reason that a PYRO is well - equipped. It's special design and construction make it handle a continuous power of 3,000 W and a maximum of 5,000 Watt for 1 second.

To achieve this a high-quality Neodym material was used for the magnets heat resistible up to 150 °C.

The winding is made of an extremely heat resistant copper, normally used by the aerospace industry.

The rotating can additionally gets a precise balancing. So the thin section bearing is rendered unnecessary.

A continuous power of 3 kW produces a lot of heat – even in such an efficient motor as the PYRO. A new designed cooling stream enables the PYRO to release the heat absolutely reliably.

The PYROs are only available in specialised shops or can be purchased directly at KONTRONIK.

The PYRO in short:

• Neodym magnets, heat resistent up to 150 degree C
• Specialized wire, heat resisten up to 300 degree C
• Perfectly balanced
• Optimized metal sheets
• Optimized ventilation

if i should ever sale the 700 i hope it would have a nice resale value like money in the bank

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12-30-2010 10:03 PM  7 years agoPost 91
Ronald Thomas

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Resale value is good sometimes but the Scorpion is good choice as well as the Xera motors.

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12-30-2010 10:21 PM  7 years agoPost 92
OICU812

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700-52 "long shaft" is excellent choice with CNC slant gear and 12 tooth yes. As Ron states you have options, Scorpion 4035-500 also another good choice and the Xera 4030 and 4035 also all good, just ensure to match pinion up with final kv to achieve your headspeed desires.

...Once upon a time there were Nitros, flybars and frequency pins...

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12-30-2010 11:04 PM  7 years agoPost 93
wc_wickedclown (RIP)

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thanks guys the price of the motor is not bad around 300 its the 500 dollar esc i have to buy used or buy a cc 120 or 160 for the 700-52
watched a vid of the Xera id use a scorpion over the xera.

if im lucky ill start the build in february

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12-31-2010 02:41 AM  7 years agoPost 94
rich m

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id use the align motor if i where building a beater or low on cash.
So let me understand this. Your doing alright, your gonna spend big bucks on the motor, right? Quit being cheap and get the Kontronik I see all the extra bling on those helis in your video. I'm just messing with you

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12-31-2010 04:54 AM  7 years agoPost 95
lanex29

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If money were no object.....however, CC ICE has been great to me on 450 sport with scorp 2221-6, 450pro with scorp 2221-6, 500 with scorp 3026-1400 and 600 with 600M.

Hope to try a Kontronik but have not seen a thread to justify nor a heli at the field with a Jazz or Jive that is convincing enough of the added value.

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12-31-2010 06:24 AM  7 years agoPost 96
wc_wickedclown (RIP)

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lanex29 If money were no object.....however, CC ICE has been great to me on 450 sport with scorp 2221-6, 450pro with scorp 2221-6, 500 with scorp 3026-1400 and 600 with 600M.

Hope to try a Kontronik but have not seen a thread to justify nor a heli at the field with a Jazz or Jive that is convincing enough of the added value
well said.
rich m
id use the align motor if i where building a beater or low on cash.
So let me understand this. Your doing alright, your gonna spend big bucks on the motor, right? Quit being cheap and get the Kontronik I see all the extra bling on those helis in your video. I'm just messing with you

does the kontronik have the same issue as the cc ice ?
example you program the gov mode for 3000 rpm with a 14t but the hs is only 2800 so you need to use a 15t to compensate for gov mode ? to actually get a 3000 rpm hs

or is it designed to be this way so you dont over rev the hs cause 3000 rpm in the air doing stunts could give you a over rev of like 3200 or more ?

hope someone understands what i mean

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12-31-2010 08:59 AM  7 years agoPost 97
rexxigpilot

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watched a vid of the Xera id use a scorpion over the xera.
What did you see in a video that would make you pick a Scorpion over an Xera?
does the kontronik have the same issue as the cc ice ?
example you program the gov mode for 3000 rpm with a 14t but the hs is only 2800 so you need to use a 15t to compensate for gov mode ? to actually get a 3000 rpm hs
My CC ESC's give me the head speed I request within reason. It is never a 200rpm difference (3000-2800=200). Are you refering to the numeric value indicated in the Castlelink software when using Set RPM Gov mode? This is always slightly different than the RPM value you requested and is typical of all governors.

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12-31-2010 10:16 AM  7 years agoPost 98
Ronald Thomas

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does the kontronik have the same issue as the cc ice ?
example you program the gov mode for 3000 rpm with a 14t but the hs is only 2800 so you need to use a 15t to compensate for gov mode ? to actually get a 3000 rpm hs
No You over gear within a range and set the tx percentage to get the desired HS. The Jive has no issue running percentages down into the 30s and 40s with no drop in performance and no overheating issues either

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12-31-2010 03:20 PM  7 years agoPost 99
wc_wickedclown (RIP)

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laughingstill
does the kontronik have the same issue as the cc ice ?
example you program the gov mode for 3000 rpm with a 14t but the hs is only 2800 so you need to use a 15t to compensate for gov mode ? to actually get a 3000 rpm hs
No You over gear within a range and set the tx percentage to get the desired HS. The Jive has no issue running percentages down into the 30s and 40s with no drop in performance and no overheating issues either
so with cc and kont when using gov mode you have to over gear ?

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12-31-2010 03:41 PM  7 years agoPost 100
Heli_KV

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Yes, if it is called overgear. It is necessary to give a room for governor to compensate for dropped voltage, increased load, etc. Rule of thumb it is necessary to select gear for throttle to be in about 85% to get desired HS in hover.

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