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12-30-2010 01:29 PM  7 years agoPost 61
LONEWOLF2440

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User error on castle esc going up in smoke now thats funny

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12-30-2010 02:02 PM  7 years agoPost 62
rich m

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Fact of the matter is that some of the best pilots fly CC like Nick Maxwell, Curtis Youngblood, Bobby Watts, Kyle Stacey, and I am sure many others. I don't think they are complaining about performance. Buy what is right for you both work well.

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12-30-2010 02:29 PM  7 years agoPost 63
LONEWOLF2440

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I agree if it works for u use it. MY experience and mine only chances are th pro,s get theres free. Castle got me twice once was a bec the other the esc caught fire. Castle is cheaper so if it works for u but im not gona skimp on a esc i dont trust.

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12-30-2010 02:40 PM  7 years agoPost 64
rich m

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It's a well known fact that the version 1 Pro Bec had problems so you definately won't hear an argument from me on that. Since the Version 2 release I haven't heard of problems with it. What ESC did you have burn up Lonewolf? Just curious. As for the pros getting there stuff for free, I don't think they would continually use them if there was a real fear of failure. Have you ever seen how close Nick Maxwell flies to himself. One failure could be a painful disaster!

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12-30-2010 03:19 PM  7 years agoPost 65
CompyMike

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Kontronik has better motor management.
Kontronik has a better gov.
Kontronik is easier to setup.
Kontronik has a better built in BEC.

This thread is just like the nitro vs electric thread.
People start throwing claims and facts. Nothing is backed up.
It’s like debating which blade is better, Curtis Blades vs Rototech blades.

Yes Kontronik is probably a better ESC. Yes the Gov probably works better than the Castle Gov.

But how much better is the motor management, how much better is the gov.

I’m being sarcastic here.

Of all the Kontronik vs Castle threads no one has backed anything up with actual data.
Shoot if someone is spouting off as to how awesome their new 60C lipo is they usually throw up a data graph.

I have never seen an eagle tree graph comparing Castle with Kontronik. Ever Never Ever.
Makes you think.

Oh and LoneWolf is so quick to put Castle Down. Yes if you abuse a esc or not check the recall announcements on the castle
Site, you could have an issue.

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12-30-2010 03:38 PM  7 years agoPost 66
Ronald Thomas

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Mike if you use one, you will instantaneously know the difference. Have you ever used one or set one up?
The gov is not a little better, it is a LOT better and there is no tweaking it. Plug and play.
I have used both and I tell you they are worlds apart.........Ron

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12-30-2010 04:29 PM  7 years agoPost 67
CompyMike

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Never used one. Would love to try one out on my Logo. Eyeing the Koby's. But I'm wondering if they are as good as the JIVE or JAZZ.
My Castle ICE 75 has been ok on the Logo. You really start pushing it hard and the gov will not keep up. If I stay smooth and smart on the collective it works ok. Also if I really start pushing the Logo hard like multiple pitch pumps I break teeth on the MOD 0.5 main gear.
0 backlash. Maybe the Castle gov is harder on drive trains compared to the Kontronik gov?

Mike

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12-30-2010 04:54 PM  7 years agoPost 68
Ronald Thomas

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Other way around as the Jive keeps the rpms +/- 50 and the Castle is +/- 200 at times

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12-30-2010 05:04 PM  7 years agoPost 69
rich m

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They both have advantages and disadvantages. I have two Furion6's setup identical except one has a castle ice 80hv with a wr bec and the other has the jive 80hv. Yes the governor is better in the jive but I don't have any complaints about the governor in my castle. It may be due to the fact that because of the strong drivetrain in the furion that I can get away with turning the gov gain up. Obviously the price is a disadvantage to the Jive but I think if you are spending this kind of money on a heli the difference is not a deterent, at least for me. The other disadvantage is you need to buy programming cards to adjust certain things like spool up time, which is another cost to an expensive piece. The other thing I don't like is you have to send it back to Germany for an update, which is why I still have 2 with older software. I do like the bec which also makes wiring your heli alot easier. I never had an issue so I figured, don't fix what isn't broken. If spending the extra money gives you piece of mind or the drivetrain in your heli wont hold up to a gain that gives you a good governor, I say spend the money. You wont be disappointed. I think it is also important to note that I did have a jive in both and I have not sold the jive out of the one because I want to make sure that I do not have problems with the castle. Sorry this is so longwinded.

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12-30-2010 05:11 PM  7 years agoPost 70
Band1086

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^^^ +1
Rich's assessment is where I'm at. But I do enjoy the data logging on the Ice.

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12-30-2010 05:36 PM  7 years agoPost 71
rich m

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The logging is definately nice, especially for setup.

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12-30-2010 05:48 PM  7 years agoPost 72
WrenFlyer

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Kontronic Jive 100+ $359.99

Castle Creations ICE 100 $118.99

I'm biased, used CC for the start and now Rep for them.....I know Kontronic has a great product, but for me I'll stick with Castle as I get the most bang for the buck!

Mr. Haney

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12-30-2010 05:50 PM  7 years agoPost 73
Rogman88

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talking to more capable pilots,
Like Al?

Ron knows way more about Kontronics than I ever will FWIW because I just can't justify the extra $$$ for one I've flown hundreds of 6S and 12S flights on my CC 85HV without an issue. Sometimes I'll get a wild hair and upgrade to the beta firmware only to get disappointed and flash back to good ole regular firmware (3.2 I think).

Roger Wilson. Happy ignorant owner of CC ICE 50, 75, 85hv.

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12-30-2010 05:56 PM  7 years agoPost 74
Parsifal

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Fly both brands in my high performance gliders, had two castles fail, granted I was running at the peak of their rating, but was disappointed so switched to kontroniks and haven't looked back for 2 years. I'll happily use castles but would typically buy above rating I really need.

In would however Never rely on what sponsored pilots fly these days as being sufficient proof of quality.

Pars

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12-30-2010 06:34 PM  7 years agoPost 75
LONEWOLF2440

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so far from what i seen people who switched to kontoniks are glad they did. I am for one. Cost alot of money for them but peice of mind in my book. Friend runs the 160hv it sounds like a fire ccracker going off when he plugs it in

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12-30-2010 06:37 PM  7 years agoPost 76
rexxigpilot

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Fact of the matter is that some of the best pilots fly CC like Nick Maxwell, Curtis Youngblood, Bobby Watts, Kyle Stacey, and I am sure many others. I don't think they are complaining about performance.
Tim Jones' Beast also uses a CC last time I checked!
The gov is not a little better, it is a LOT better and there is no tweaking it. Plug and play.
Not buying that one! The Kontronik does a better job at not overspeeding; however, it makes up for that in additional underspeeding. My data and that of others indicate that the total deviation from set RPM is about the same on both CC and KT. It is not easy to test unless you use the exact same heli and fly the exact same routine with each ESC. Oh yeah, and you must use the same data logger at the same sampling rate. Eagle Tree versus CC data logger doesn't cut it as they may not be sampling at the same rate, same accuracy and using the same algorithm. Perhaps, an ET on both would be useful...and illuminating for you KT fanboys.

I guess the KT with its inability to make many changes is simpler to setup and more idiot proof for the novice. CC gives much more flexibility. I like that! Did I mention CC has data logging, free computer interface, faster throttle response (keep this in mind when using the upcoming V-bar 5.1 and CGY750 for governor on electric models) and autorotation capabilities. The KT has none of this ability and cost at least twice as much? Come on, you do the math!

The only thing that I can give to KT is the BEC. The built-in CC BEC's are crap! The KT BEC's seem to be very robust. CC did a smart thing with the ICE HV series and eliminated the BEC altogether. The thing that troubles me about the KT BEC is that KT still says to use a battery as a back-up to their BEC. That indicates a lack of confidence in their product to me.

Buy what you want. And waste your money any way you want. It's only your money. Some, like many of our GF's or wives, would say all RC heli stuff is a waste of money!

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12-30-2010 06:39 PM  7 years agoPost 77
CompyMike

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If spending the extra money gives you piece of mind or the drivetrain in your heli wont hold up to a gain that gives you a good governor, I say spend the money. You wont be disappointed. I think it is also important to note that I did have a jive in both and I have not sold the jive out of the one because I want to make sure that I do not have problems with the castle. Sorry this is so longwinded.

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See I think this is where I am exactly! My CC ICE 75 in my logo 400 seems to work pretty well if the gain is over 23, but my MOD 0.5 gearing can't take that. MOD 0.7 gearing works but it is noisy.

So I guess if I go with a Kontronik I can still get a consistant HS and won't stress the MOD 0.5 gears??

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12-30-2010 06:54 PM  7 years agoPost 78
Rogman88

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Mike makes a good point if this and what others have said were true. One has to ask themselves this. Does the extra 200$ (for 50/90 sized helis) significantly improve your flight experience. In Mikes case, using the other mod may significanly improve his performance and allow him to use the gears that he really would prefer using. If you think about a 5 minute flight times say 1000 flights on a heli that's 5,000 minutes (83 hours) you would be flying that heli with a better experience. The significance of your extra $$$ is really going to be money well spent.
Now Al on the other hand can do everything he wants with his CC ESC's controlling his speed. The extra 200$ for a high end KT really can't be justified by Al.

I'm ignorant to KT so for me, CC does what I need so I'm not able to justify the extra $ at this time.

High Voltage just works better

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12-30-2010 06:57 PM  7 years agoPost 79
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That has been my observation as well. To get the Castle governor up to snuff you have to crank the gain up a little and then you better have a model with a bulletproof gear train and you better have the lash perfect.

I have a Jive with version 7 software and version 9 is out now. There was no version 8 btw. I haven't sent it in for update as what would change? Nothing. I don't get guys obsessive/compulsive need for updates. If the governor holds perfect and the ESC works perfect, WHY ARE YOU MESSING WITH IT??? Model isn't going to get MORE powerful. ESC is just a power delivery device, it doesn't create or magnify power.

My Jive 80+HV is V7 on my Logo 600 Vstabi and it is as good as any controller on earth. Governor works perfect and BEC has been bulletproof. What part of that am I supposed be dis-satisfied with?

Norman Ross Jr.

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12-30-2010 07:05 PM  7 years agoPost 80
OICU812

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Nothing Norman but consitent strive to obtain perfection can be admired. I'll reserve my full thoughts to not engage in this debate. But what can be said about this debate as with many other products in our hobby is sometimes it takes trying that other product to truly know and understand the differences and advantages. Graphs can be thrown out, so can several other data points, but pure effort and knowing yourself is truth indeed. May you all have a cool pillow to rest on and a warm body to hug

...Once upon a time there were Nitros, flybars and frequency pins...

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