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12-30-2010 03:59 PM  7 years agoPost 21
fla heli boy

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happened here a few years ago. Class pres. or VP, tops in her class, moved to a new home over the weekend with her mother and one of the steak knives had gotten loose and rolled under her seat in her car.
While doing random searches in THE PARKING LOT, they found the knife and suspended her 2 weeks before graduation. Could not graduate, lost a full ride college scholarship, etc., etc.

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12-30-2010 04:39 PM  7 years agoPost 22
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I read through a bunch of comments on that page, the little weasel apparently shut the e-mail down.

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12-30-2010 06:01 PM  7 years agoPost 23
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I agree it sucks, but look at this, facts are facts. The fact of the matter is she had what constituted a weapon on school ground. There are already rules against it. She could have easily taken a few seconds to check her lunch and what she is bringing on campus. Thats pretty much it, closed case and I don't think their punishment is too harsh.

If she could get away with it, then bad kids could easily explain away why they have weapons on them. Unfortunately, either you enforce for one or enforce for none.

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12-30-2010 06:30 PM  7 years agoPost 24
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then bad kids could easily explain away why they have weapons on them
Exactly why there is a no weapons policy. Say this girl gets suspended for a week but can still finish and graduate. Next week another kid with a different background (gets into fights, bullies other kids, or worse is getting bullied and want's to even things up) shows up to school with a weapon. That kid's parents (especially the kid who's getting bullied and want's to stop it, thus has mal-intent) are going to have an argument why their kid should also be allowed to come back to campus. This is the reason for zero tolerance. Everyone is treated equally.

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12-30-2010 06:30 PM  7 years agoPost 25
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You must be one of those that think guns kill...I got news for you its usually the a$$hole holding it that does the killing.These so called people fall into certain PROFILES. She obviously does not.It is a disgrace what has happened to her.It was an innocent mistake taken too far by so called educated leaders.

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12-30-2010 08:25 PM  7 years agoPost 26
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fwiw...

In the wrong hands, ANYTHING is a weapon....Do a little searching, see what a trained hand can do with a newspaper...
Zero Tolerance is a ploy for those weak of character and mind..We deserve better..
Any school that would do something like this doesn't deserve the name....

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12-30-2010 09:44 PM  7 years agoPost 27
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LOL i know guns dont kill people, people kill people. But guess what will happen if you go to get on a airplane and you grabbed your bag forgetting you had your gun in it. I think you know where it goes from there. Dont be so naive, the rules are in place, there is nothing about this whole issue that involves anyone killing anyone(though you are trying to cloud the issue with it), just the fact of knowingly or unknowingly carrying a weapon into a area where weapons are forbid.

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12-31-2010 01:33 AM  7 years agoPost 28
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zero tolerance with some common sense.

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12-31-2010 02:34 AM  7 years agoPost 29
rchelichop

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and again, what is common sense? Such a thing is widely open to interpretation. Whereas a concrete un-disputable rule/law is plain and simple. Remember when your parents taught you about consequences, even if you didn't intentionally mean to initiate it.

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12-31-2010 02:37 AM  7 years agoPost 30
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and again, what is common sense? Such a thing is widely open to interpretation.
If you don't know what common sense is, its likely you never had it.

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12-31-2010 02:47 AM  7 years agoPost 31
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touche.

not so common it seems.

we become required to cater to the lowest common denominator.

and there you go.

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12-31-2010 04:02 AM  7 years agoPost 32
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fwiw...

This is degenerating into an argument about the most ridiculous of bromides; "Ignorance is no excuse."
I would be willing to bet a fair sum that NONE of us go about our business for a day without breaking some law, rule, or regulation.
Sad fact is that on its face, this incident is logically indefensible..
Doe the school have a comprehensive list of everything it considers a weapon?
What if they missed something?...Do they get disciplined?

What about Mike Vick, the dog murderer....'Bammy sticks up for him,
but what if he were just a homie?...The exception puts paid to the rule..Again...Ask yourself "why do I need governing...?"
I sincerely hope a good (bad) lawyer gets on to this pro bono...I'd like that school district sucked dry....

John.

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12-31-2010 04:06 AM  7 years agoPost 33
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to cost a kid graduation and a full ride college scholorship over something like this is ridiculous. should be a reasonable 'punishment' if anything.

zero tolerance my ass.

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12-31-2010 04:52 AM  7 years agoPost 34
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to cost a kid graduation and a full ride college scholorship over something like this is ridiculous. should be a reasonable 'punishment' if anything.

zero tolerance my ass.
Exactly. These are just kids.

We can thank our loony academia for this. They bare far worse than the kids they claim they are teaching.

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12-31-2010 06:01 AM  7 years agoPost 35
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If you don't know what common sense is, its likely you never had it.
explain 'it' please. Give a clear and precise definition of what 'common sense' is. If anything, its more 'common sense' to question such a ambiguous term. And your attempt at belittling me has failed because you think you are somehow better than me how? by having more common sense than me, lol.
Exactly. These are just kids.
Yes, cause kids can't hurt anybody.

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12-31-2010 06:04 AM  7 years agoPost 36
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but this kid was not creating or planning to create any problem.

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12-31-2010 06:13 AM  7 years agoPost 37
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explain 'it' please. Give a clear and precise definition of what 'common sense' is. If anything, its more 'common sense' to question such a ambiguous term.
That confirms it. You ain't got it.

Read Thomas Paine if you want to learn what common sense is.
And your attempt at belittling me has failed because you think you are somehow better than me how?
Was not attempting to belittle you. And, I don't think I am better than you. If you took it that way, I apologize. Seriously. I just made a statement that if you question what common sense is, then you don't have it.

BTW: The kid meant no harm and had no bad motivations with that paring knife found in her lunch box or purse. It was a mistake. Thats common sense.

For the educators to over react to that episode is irresponsible on the part of those educators. I have read nothing at all in that entire story that says the little girl was being threatening, or has ever been threatening. There is a chance I am wrong about that. But, I doubt it. For the educators to punish her as they have, then they has lost their common sense and gone into over reaction and stupidity.

If there was intention to cause harm by that little girl anywhere in that story, then I would feel differently about it. But, I don't see it.

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12-31-2010 07:42 AM  7 years agoPost 38
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[quote]We can thank our loony academia for this. They bare far worse than the kids they claim they are teaching.

Well if that story doesn't pi$$ you off then how about this one !!!

Disgraced Teacher Enjoys Well-Paid 13th Year in ‘Rubber Room’ After Sexually Molesting 6th Grade Student

On June 26, 1997, New York teacher Roland Pierre was was arrested on felony sex-abuse charges after allegedly calling one of his PS 138 sixth-grade students into an empty classroom, closed the door and molested her. Pierre was permanently removed from the classroom, but like many tenured teachers accused of wrongdoing, he wasn’t fired. Instead, he joined other disgraced educators in the so-called “rubber room” — the “purgatory of teachers yanked for the classroom for alleged wrongdoing” — where he’d wait out the union-guided appeals process.

http://www.theblaze.com/stories/dis...-grade-student/

But yet they have the nads to ruin this kids life .........

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12-31-2010 02:56 PM  7 years agoPost 39
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common sense:
Hmmm, how about sitting the kid down and talking to her without alerting the media.
I'm sorry, but this whole "zero tolerance" thing is just over rated PC bullcrap. Just another scrap of proof of how jacked up the whole education system has become.
Psssstt...... pretty sure you can hurt somebody with a pencil if you're so inclined. How about scissors??? How about a knife in home ec class???
Baseball bats in the locker rooms??? The laces in your tennis shoes???
Your belt??? Your fists??? Sharp tools in shop class (if they even have shop anymore)????

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12-31-2010 04:18 PM  7 years agoPost 40
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I like the mention of the "principal conducting his investigation". What investigation? What does an educator know about investigating anything? Most educators barely have a concept of educating let alone investigating crime.

I do agree with zero tolerance, but like any rule or law, there is discretion on how the punishment is carried out. The punishment should fit the crime, and ruining a girls future over a paring knife is the equivalent of sentencing a jaywalker to 10 years in prison. She should have received a week or two suspension and be done with it. That is the proper way to implement zero tolerance.

If their zero tolerance policy only allows for a single type of punishment then that needs to be reviewed, as that doesn't exist in the real world of law. A murderer can get a variety of different punishments, but a girl accidentally bringing a paring knife to school automatically gets her life ruined? Does anyone not see a problem with this?

Just another big fish in a small pond. Hopefully this reaches national media exposure and enough pressure is exerted to fix this.

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