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12-29-2010 08:05 AM  7 years agoPost 1
Mr. Miyagi

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Any suggestions for the a 450 size electric helicopter with longest flight time?

You're not a "pilot" if you fly an RC helicopter. Sorry to crush your dreams #HardTruth

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12-29-2010 09:23 AM  7 years agoPost 2
Dale M

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What kind of flying are you in to? I have an Align 450SEV2 running on 4S That could easily attain 12 to 15 minute flights using a JGF450SH motor. Easy sport flying. For harder 3D you'd probably be happier with a hotter motor.

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12-29-2010 10:51 AM  7 years agoPost 3
McKrackin

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Are you going to "pilot" it or just manipulate the controls as to make it move?

I literally never use the word literally right.

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12-29-2010 02:40 PM  7 years agoPost 4
Noobyflyer

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^^^ LOL....I get it and very quick humor. Ahahahaha. Daniel Son got your a$$ this time.

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12-29-2010 05:07 PM  7 years agoPost 5
Mr. Miyagi

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i'm going to "pilot". If you can't beat em... join em. lmfao

12-15 minutes on a trex 450? I only used to get around 6-8 on my last one.

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12-29-2010 05:39 PM  7 years agoPost 6
dkshema

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FWIW -- Flight time is inversely proportional to performance.

High performance (lots of wild and crazy flying) = short flight times

Low performance (hovering, not much else) = long flight times

There was a time my Trex 450 X and X-V2 would hover and maybe give me some simple forward flight in my front yard (not a lot of room for much else) for about 12-13 minutes per charge on a TP 2100 Pro Lite pack.

But those same helis had really no aerobatic performance whatsoever. Maybe a loop if you had lots of altitude, maybe a roll or two, but you really had to milk the collective for all it was worth. A head speed of 2400 RPM was the order of the day.

You can still achieve long flight times, but at the expense of performance. Hence the question "do you plan to pilot them or manipulate the controls" from McK...

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12-30-2010 08:24 AM  7 years agoPost 7
Mr. Miyagi

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You're not a "pilot" if you fly an RC helicopter. Sorry to crush your dreams #HardTruth

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12-30-2010 08:32 AM  7 years agoPost 8
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No one cares what you beleive.

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12-30-2010 04:36 PM  7 years agoPost 9
Mr. Miyagi

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You're not a "pilot" if you fly an RC helicopter. Sorry to crush your dreams #HardTruth

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12-30-2010 04:42 PM  7 years agoPost 10
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Batfink was a cool show to watch as a youngster

...Once upon a time there were Nitros, flybars and frequency pins...

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12-30-2010 06:05 PM  7 years agoPost 11
dkshema

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It depends what you mean by "pilot". I don't really believe that people who fly RC should be pronounced "pilots".
What would you call the Air Force personnel who fly the unmanned drones around the world via radio control? Stick Bangers? I don't think so.

In any event, if you want long flight times, you'll need a very efficient motor, a large battery, and will have to give up performance for duration. The laws of physics are pretty much set in stone.

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12-30-2010 08:39 PM  7 years agoPost 12
Mr. Miyagi

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You're not a "pilot" if you fly an RC helicopter. Sorry to crush your dreams #HardTruth

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12-30-2010 08:50 PM  7 years agoPost 13
Rogman88

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Why lower yourself from your lofty full scale job "piloting" to a 450 sized toy? Seems beneath you by your comments

Anyway, since you aren't able to "pilot" inverted then a lower headspeed of around 2500 may be achieved with a 3700kv motor (like Align 430xl) on a 12T pinion. It will yeild longer flight times so you can "stick bang" around upright in FFF as you are used to doing on a daily bases anyway Good luck making friends and getting help in your endevors.

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12-30-2010 08:56 PM  7 years agoPost 14
LonR

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Read some of the post in his thread he closed.You'll find out that he said hes a RC heli pilot but now that he flys "real heli",people that fly RC helis/planes aren't pilots and hes better than us. https://rc.runryder.com/t623455p1/ .

https://rc.runryder.com/p5141334/

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12-30-2010 10:02 PM  7 years agoPost 15
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What a looser.

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12-30-2010 10:36 PM  7 years agoPost 16
dkshema

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you my dear pissant friend
So much for an intelligent, endearing discussion here. When words fail, use insults or pejoratives in your discussion. Definitely not from Dale Carnegie's "How to Win Friends and Influence People".

My mom grew up in Russelville, Alabama in the 1920s/1930s. In fact, she often noted that the house she lived in was located on "Piss Ant Hill", in Russelville. I found that funny as a kid.

I may not be an "FAA private pilot", but over the course of the last 42 years or so, have spent countless hours piloting various forms of model aircraft. They certainly didn't fly themselves, and I was/am the pilot in control.

As for your high and mighty post to a job opening from AAI...
FAA licenses or certificates such as private pilot, commercial pilot, instrument rating, CFI, CFI-I are highly desired.
Not required, but "desired".

Note also that the position to which you referred is for a Flight Crew Training Developer/Instructor...not a Pilot (if you really want to pick nits).

As for the other required skills, as a practicing Senior Electrical Engineer in the the Commercial Avionics sector in excess of 30 years, I believe I meet and/or exceed the technical and managerial qualifications listed for the job posted.

Also, the FAA under its current rule-making process, seems to have officially lumped all of the current radio control model operations in the United States into the category of small Unmanned Aerial Systems (sUAS), and later this summer will release a formal NPRM that is headed in the direction of incorporating the RC hobby under the sUAS banner. As such, I have been a practicing sUAS operator for at least 40+ years, having begun experimenting with RC aircraft in the late 1960's. That would fulfill the first bullet of the "required experience" section.

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To really pick nits, the definition of Pilot (as noun) is:

"a person who flies OR is qualified to fly an aircraft or spacecraft" -- Merriam-Webster Dictionary

"one who operates OR is licensed to operate an aircraft in flight" -- American Heritage Dictionary

-- it would seem that you can be a pilot with, or without a license.

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Of course, you can also be a PILOT if your job is to navigate ships in and out of harbors...doesn't require an airplane at all!

You can be a Pilot if you are the first show of a TV series, or perhaps a movie that is designed later to be used to sell a series to one or more networks for syndication.

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I can, if I choose, cough up about $9000 and some free time, and get that all important FAA license that makes me a "pilot". For all you know, I may already BE an FAA licensed pilot -- but you assume that I and many others in this sport are not. Assumptions are not fact.

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As for that all important FAA license distinction. Many years ago, when I lived in Kansas City, the local club, KCRC held a helicopter fun fly. Part of that event included the arrival and subsequent static display of Life Flight's AS-350 helicopter and its crew. It was interesting to note what happened when I offered to let the fully accredited and FAA licensed PILOT to see if he could get my Schluter Superior off the ground. After several tanks of fuel, and after finally stuffing the tail rotor into the ground and destroying a main gear, it was obvious to all, including the FAA licensed PILOT, that he could NOT fly an RC helicopter.

Going back even further to a time when I lived in Bozeman, Montana, our club flew out of a portion of Gallatin Field for awhile. One of our visitors was a certified flight instructor who regularly not only taught others to fly full scale aircraft, but who also owned and operated a very nicely restored Great Lakes Trainer Bipe (and flew it in airshows, performing all sorts of cool, full-scale aerobatics). He was offered the controls of a Lanier Jester -- a plastic/foam 60-powered sport/pattern plane. In less than 15 seconds, he was inverted and heading for the ground, fully out of control. The peon, unlicensed, "pilot" who owned the plane, took the controls back, righted the airplane, and brought it back under control. This was repeated several more times with similar results.

It would seem that in both cases cited, being an FAA licensed PILOT did not offer these two people any innate or inherent ability to PILOT an RC aircraft. And that would go for a UAV as noted in the job posting from AAI you referred to.

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Your intent is to demean those who don't have the FAA license -- claiming that "we" are not pilots, but "stick bangers", and your intent at the post directed at me was to demean me personally using a pejorative colloquialism that I actually find funny from growing up as a kid in Texas.

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I also offered you reasonable, sound advice as an answer to your question about a "450 sized helicopter with the longest flight time". If you truly ARE an FAA licensed pilot, then you should first know that your question has no answer. Your PILOT training should have told you about weight/power/performance tradeoffs that must be made when it comes to flight. Perhaps you missed that part of ground school. I believe that comes in early, with the discussion of lift, drag, thrust, and gravity -- the four principle elements entering any formal discussion of flight in general.

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12-30-2010 11:03 PM  7 years agoPost 17
Mr. Miyagi

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lol. ok, this is not why I posted this topic. I really just want to get some info on the latest and greatest RC helicopters. You win. Now can I get some suggestions please? Is the trex 450 still the best choice for low cost and long flight time?

You're not a "pilot" if you fly an RC helicopter. Sorry to crush your dreams #HardTruth

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12-31-2010 12:14 AM  7 years agoPost 18
dkshema

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Happy to get back on track.

Whether it's a Trex 450 Pro, Sport, Min Air Furion, Rave, Protos or other main stream 450 -- all have equal performance, all can be tuned to optimize flight times. There are many choices nowadays, ALL good.

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12-31-2010 06:04 AM  7 years agoPost 19
brcg123

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you mean Mr Miyagi son is folding up like a lawn chair? I told you he had a small Blade to play with, and in that case, you are not a pilot.








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12-31-2010 07:10 AM  7 years agoPost 20
Mr. Miyagi

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My Posts This: Topic Forum you mean Mr Miyagi son is folding up like a lawn chair? I told you he had a small Blade to play with, and in that case, you are not a pilot.
Folding eh? lol. If we were in a real helicopter forum they would be laughing at the fact you guys call yourselves pilots. Anyways, its stupid to argue about it cause in the end we all love helicopters. You can call yourself an astronaut for all I care. If you love to be around, talk about or fly in helicopters you are cool in my book. If you look at titles that were given to people all throughout history, almost any title came with some amount of honor with respect to that profession (i.e blacksmith, locksmith, doctor, jester, postman or attorney.) I spent years of my life inside a real helicopter, flying by a whole different set of rules, risking my life for a piece of the adventure. You have to draw a line of distinction somewhere between RC and real life.

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