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12-29-2010 04:11 AM  7 years agoPost 1
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Which is easier to program for someone new to multiblade? Skookum 720 or. V-bar?

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12-29-2010 05:40 AM  7 years agoPost 2
Mojave

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I know you're looking for an objective viewpoint from someone that has used both systems, but I can't give you that perspective. I will say that my bud taught me how to set up vbar 4.0 and it was fairly straight forward. But my vote is for vbar 5.0, pretty much walks you through the entire set up and was much easier than 4.0. VBAR 4.0 has a bit more of a learning curve. No comment on the 720 unit, as I never ran the one that I bought.

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12-29-2010 11:08 AM  7 years agoPost 3
Ben-T-Spindle

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The latest SK720 firmware has made it a very easy task to set it up. It has an interactive step by step wizard that makes it quick and easy. The SK720 also has self leveling that most beginners need and will same a lot of crashes.

Skookum has always been the leader in easy to setup flybarless systems.

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12-29-2010 11:15 AM  7 years agoPost 4
OICU812

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You can DL the Vbar 5.0 software and take a peak, that's free. I am sure you can DL the skookum to, then you can decide after playing abit what ya think. Mr Mel also has tons of vbar vids on the you tube as well to review on Vbar. It's pretty much candy walking these days, simple to setup stuff.

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12-29-2010 05:14 PM  7 years agoPost 5
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12-29-2010 05:33 PM  7 years agoPost 6
Ronald Thomas

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Ben-T
Not available, not proven, so how can you say that???
I will vote for the VBAR 5.0. It will walk you through the setup and has pics/animations to make sure you are setup correctly. I hear the BeastX is easy to setup also but I have yet to set one up.........Ron

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12-29-2010 05:36 PM  7 years agoPost 7
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I'm also looking for the easiest to fine tune. I had a skookum 360 that I nvere got to use, after reading thru the manual, I felt like enrolling in rocket science 101! Adjustments like "hiller decay rate" and "hiller gain" ! It had a basic scale set up to download, then tweak it during flight. But no explanation of how to determine if these need to be adjusted, or how they effect flight. Maybe I missed something, maybe I'm an idiot! Greg

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12-29-2010 05:50 PM  7 years agoPost 8
Ronald Thomas

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Another cool thing about the VBAR is the sliders and optimizers. The sliders offer easy adjustments and the optimizers "tune" the heli for you

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12-29-2010 06:25 PM  7 years agoPost 9
Mojave

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Greg, you won't find anything in the basic vbar 5.0 set up and tuning that will require an advanced degree in mathematics and applied science It's so straight forward that a caveman could do it. OK, enough of the stupid humor Scale set up and tuning in vbar 5.0 is very basic and straight forward. Rotor phasing is very simple also. It even tells you which ports to plug your servo leads into, given the swash that you choose to run. I had a few questions along the way and the members in here helped me, as I am sure they will help you. Props to Maxturbine and Racingrandy for their help with my scale 3 blade set up.

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12-30-2010 12:52 AM  7 years agoPost 10
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Caveman? Well I did invent the wheel! And fire! Does the v-bar have a self leveling feature? I'm interested in either the v-bar, sk720, or the helicommand hc3 sx.

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12-30-2010 12:56 AM  7 years agoPost 11
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Laughing still, tell me more about the sliders and optimisers!

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12-30-2010 01:03 AM  7 years agoPost 12
Ronald Thomas

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The slider allow you to adjust the parameters to your liking without having to go into exacting detail. The expert menu allows you to go that way if you like though . The optimzers when turned on will "learn" your flying style and adjust the helis parameters to suit it. Really cool when the heli does the work for you.
No self leveling....if you want that the HC3X has the best bail out feature as it will correct AND give collective to get the heli away from the ground right side up OR inverted.........Ron

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12-30-2010 01:27 AM  7 years agoPost 13
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I belive the sk720 has self level too. On the helicommand, does it increase throttle also on bail out? Is at the flip of a swicth. Only? Or can it be on always, and dialed down as you progress? Like the 720?

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12-30-2010 01:34 AM  7 years agoPost 14
Ronald Thomas

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Flip of a switch I believe but I know the 720s leveling was having issues and did not work as advertised. Maybe it is fixed now??? The HC3X's feature can be left on also AFAIK

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12-30-2010 03:33 AM  7 years agoPost 15
Mojave

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Greg, IMHO I think that your style of flying (scale) really doesn't need a self leveling feature. But if you really want that feature, then go for it. I had heard that skookum has fixed the self leveling problem. I'm an incredibly average heli pilot and I have never needed it. Now if they only had an automatic "auto rotation feature"...

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12-30-2010 03:44 AM  7 years agoPost 16
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Don't know what to say about the scale suggestion but I 100% agree with Ron. The Futaba system has not gotten into the hands of us common folk so its not proven. I am pretty sure they will go through a couple revs before all the kinks are worked out...the fbl systems are never perfect the first time.

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12-30-2010 03:58 AM  7 years agoPost 17
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Just like the self leveling idea. Any "anti-crash" technology is appreciated! Its for the vario md 900 notar

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12-30-2010 03:59 AM  7 years agoPost 18
Ronald Thomas

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Sounds expensive If self leveling is high on the priority list, go for the HC3X.

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12-30-2010 04:20 AM  7 years agoPost 19
F1 Rocket

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Self-leveling aside, the HC3-Xtreme and HC-3SX are very high quality, nice flying systems.

Danny

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12-30-2010 06:22 AM  7 years agoPost 20
Mojave

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I forgot about the pucker factor with the new Vario scale ship. Lot of greenbacks and time tied up in that one My chocolate starfish would be quivering too. Do what helps you sleep at night...can't blame you. If it were me, I would test that system with self leveling in pod/boom config, get used to it, then move it into the notar. Then you'll have a better feel for it. My .002

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