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12-28-2010 12:09 AM  7 years agoPost 1
brw0513

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Not sure if HeliCommand take requests like this, but I'd like to see a "Test" tab in a future edition of their SX software to check self-leveling settings.

I think it would be a big advantage to be able to test your settings within the software. And it would add another distinguishing feature to the HC3-SX from the other FBL offerings.

Wouldn't it be good if you could pick selections from the "Test" tab "Inverted", "Upright", "Rolling", "Pitching" (or a combination of these) and operate bail-out from the Tx and see what happens on the PC screen. Even better if there was some visual indication of the model behaving as selected so the timing of the bail-out could be checked too.

As I see it, the bail-out feature is great and is my reason for buying an SX (not arrived yet). But there doesn't seem to be a practical way to really test the bail-out until it is actually needed.

Ian B

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12-28-2010 01:04 AM  7 years agoPost 2
F1 Rocket

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As I see it, the bail-out feature is great and is my reason for buying an SX (not arrived yet). But there doesn't seem to be a practical way to really test the bail-out until it is actually needed.
Once you have the unit installed in your machine you will find there is no real drama in the way it works. By this I mean it just works. If you imagine you are flying on a buddy box and your instructor takes control and levels the machine for you, then adds some pitch (if you are using the ‘Acro w/pitch mode) so the machine is at a safe height. This is pretty much what happens when you flip the switch.

Danny

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12-28-2010 03:00 AM  7 years agoPost 3
max232

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Wish list

Make my coffee

It's working great so far(knocks on wood)

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12-28-2010 11:27 AM  7 years agoPost 4
Zman

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As I see it, the bail-out feature is great and is my reason for buying an SX (not arrived yet). But there doesn't seem to be a practical way to really test the bail-out until it is actually needed.
Kind of what Danny posted. We installed mine at the Orlando event. Took it out to flightline and flew and I would put it in different orientations and hit the switch. To me this is the best way to fine tune. Really the only thing I changed was the amount of pitch it adds. Some will like an agressive pitch so it climbs hard and some will like a little less pitch.
As Danny said, it isnt a violent transition to be prepared for. It simply levels itself and climbs out.
Either way, you certainly dont need to wait for it to be needed to try it out. I will activate mine 3-4 times during a normal flight just for fun.

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12-28-2010 02:02 PM  7 years agoPost 5
DEMONjoe

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G'Day Ian,

thanks for any ideas and wishes.

Actually, with the Diagnose tab and looking at your heli on the desk, you have all test possibilities you need to make sure the system will work.
Check in the Diagnose tab, tha´t all signals are assigend as desired and needed.
On the heli, check that the swash it doing what it should do, i.e. the swash should counteract against all tilting movements of the heli.
For the C.Pitch option, you can see that the swash will increase collective for climbing. No matter if the heli is inverted or in normal attitude, it will always give the collective so that the heli will go up into the sky.
Which c.pitch value is best needs to be tested for the pilot's desires.

Cheers to Australia (love it),
Joachim

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12-28-2010 03:09 PM  7 years agoPost 6
jyzoom

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Singapore

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Joachim,

Waiting for my local dealer to get their HC3-SX stock in.

Will I be able to program that the recovery with collective by just simply release all stick input instead of hitting a emergency switch ?

Jonathan

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12-29-2010 01:28 PM  7 years agoPost 7
brw0513

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Gents,

Thanks for the replies.

Can't wait to get the SX but I'm starting to doubt my Retailers claim of "ships in 1-2 days"

Ian B

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12-29-2010 07:37 PM  7 years agoPost 8
love for scale

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Omaha, Nebraska U.S.A.

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does the bail out feature require alot of programming?

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12-30-2010 01:19 AM  7 years agoPost 9
DEMONjoe

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Will I be able to program that the recovery with collective by just simply release all stick input instead of hitting a emergency switch ?
No. This would not make sense, as during flight you will pass by the neutral stick point quite often, and then the heli would always bail out and climb. Would surely make you nervous trying to get the heli down again :-)

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12-30-2010 01:31 AM  7 years agoPost 10
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Omaha, Nebraska U.S.A.

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The description on espirit.com states that the heli will right itself when all sticks are put to nuetral. This would make sense. Wouldn't it?

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12-30-2010 01:58 AM  7 years agoPost 11
Eco8gator

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The description is correct but you must understand the system.

You can control the heli while in level mode. But when the sticks are centered in that mode it does part its self level.

I tried to fly it in the rescue mode and its a bit scary. If you try to flip in one axis the autopilot give you control of only one axis and will attempt to correct on the axis your not commanding.

So...I would throw this suggestion out to Helicommand. If any axis is being used don't correct on any of the axis...let the pilot fly until the sticks are centered...would be like an auto leveler.

One thing though...the self correct mode does work really well...very impressed.

Carlo

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12-30-2010 02:06 AM  7 years agoPost 12
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Thanks, looking for a sytem for a 4000.00 scale heli with 5 blade head! Gotta choose the right one! Greg

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12-30-2010 02:10 AM  7 years agoPost 13
jyzoom

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Joachim, thanks I understand now. All stick must be center , which is not very good as Carlos describe make it even clearer as that is what I would like. I know it is a challenge potentially on programming but that would be wonderful.

Carlos, Joachim,

As I still don;t have the HC3-SX yet, playing with the software but it didn't allow me to see what options on switches I have to turn on emergency. Could you advice me which switch can I use ?

Here is what I am after....as there are really two switches that I am use to hit and will do so instinctively (i) Throttle Hold and (ii) Idle Up

I don;t want to loose the Throttle Hold , so wonder if I can make use of the Idle up switch.

Can any of the following be configure to turn on emergency recovery ?

(1) Idle Up - set Idle Up 2 to be recovery and just fly with normal/Idle Up 1

(2) Throttle Hold - Now a 3 position switch...to have middle postion as recovery while bottom is normal and upper is throttle hold

I m using Dx8....option 1 is more ideal for me.

Thanks in advance and appreciate your response.

Jonathan

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12-30-2010 02:39 AM  7 years agoPost 14
Eco8gator

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Use a trainer momentary switch.

I never said that having to center the sticks is bad in rescue mode. Being able to fly the heli in all modes is a great thing. But it centers when centered which seems logical.

My only concern is if you are trying to fly it in self level then the unit should allow the pilot to fly all axis until the sticks are centered. This makes sense to me...will allow newbees to try a flip and once they let go the heli will center and you wont need to remember to hit a switch.

Carlo

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12-30-2010 01:03 PM  7 years agoPost 15
jyzoom

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Carlo,

Thanks for the response.

I am hoping for one that I can learn acrobatic like piro flip and when I loss it....let go of all stick and it level and fly up without having to hit a switch.

Jonathan

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12-30-2010 02:26 PM  7 years agoPost 16
F1 Rocket

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am hoping for one that I can learn acrobatic like piro flip and when I loss it....let go of all stick and it level and fly up without having to hit a switch.
If you configure the self-leveling mode in the Horizon tab to "Acro" you can fly (roll, flip, etc) the machine with the self-leveling activated and the machine will self-level whenever you release the cyclic stick. You still need to control the collective in this mode. If you have the self-leveling configured to "Acro with Pitch" the machine will self-level and add pitch to climb when the self-leveling switch is activated and the cyclic released. It is not recommended to try and fly with this mode active as the resulting collective offset will make the machine feel strange. This is why it is recommended to use a momentary switch (if available) to activate this mode. The intent is to activate the switch, self-level and climb to a safe altitude, then release the switch and continue to fly normally.

Danny

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12-30-2010 03:41 PM  7 years agoPost 17
jyzoom

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Danny,

This is great explanation and I totally get it now.
Looking forward to get it soon.

Jonathan

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12-30-2010 07:03 PM  7 years agoPost 18
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Danny, so you flying around, get into trouble, flip a momentary switch, then it self levels? Or after Flipping switch, you have to center the sticks? Greg

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12-30-2010 09:44 PM  7 years agoPost 19
DEMONjoe

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Flip the switch and center the sticks when in 'acro with pitch' mode.
At this point I would like to explain a basic thing: regarding the self leveling you always have 2 possibilities, either using a switch to engage the self leveling function, or keep it enabled all the time abd override it by stick inputs. In both cases self leveling will only be executed when sticks are centered.
Speaking especially of the 'acro with pitch' mode again, here it ismnot recommended to engage it all the time, as it will be hard, depending on the collective setup maybe impossible, to override the c.pitch and stop the heli from climbing. A flight may become a bit scary then ;-)

Joachim

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12-30-2010 09:49 PM  7 years agoPost 20
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Center the pich/throttle stick too? When it adds pitch, (stupid question) wouldn't it need to up the throttle too?

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