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12-27-2010 10:32 AM  7 years agoPost 1
843carolinaboy

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I have a blade 400 but I really haven’t flown it. I know people say that are ready to fly out of the box but as a good friend of mine and I found out they are not. I want to upgrade to a Trex 450 but am not sure I will be able to handle it. Also I want to build my own kit. I seen a few EXI kits online, would anyone recommend them?

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12-27-2010 12:55 PM  7 years agoPost 2
rcmiket

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I have a EXI 500 that I ended up replacing the head with a Align that I picked up here for a good price. Then converted the tail drive with the Align TT I picked up on Flea bay. There ok I just don't care for all the plastic on them. It was OK as is but much better now with the upgrades.
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12-27-2010 01:03 PM  7 years agoPost 3
fastflyer20

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If you already have a blade, stick with it. They are close, but not perfect out of the box. If both are set up properly, the 400 and 450 are great for learning to hover and for free flight.
Heli's are difficult to fly.
Learn how to set up and fly the blade, changing now will cost you lots of money with very little gain. Once you can fly inverted, etc. then the Trex is a bigger advantage.

May sure you practice on the sim and follow Finless Bob's set up videos.

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12-27-2010 06:22 PM  7 years agoPost 4
843carolinaboy

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Thanks, I am decent now with just hovering, I really don't hover inverted unless I am on the SIM. I do have the blade400 but never really did much with it, besides just hover and some forward flight. My TX had to be sent back because they had a recall on them, so all i have is the SIM for now.

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12-27-2010 07:11 PM  7 years agoPost 5
helismash

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I think 450 size is a good starting place.

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12-27-2010 07:53 PM  7 years agoPost 6
doorman

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Blade 400........
The Blade 400 is not a bad deal for what you get all in one box..... but the older versions had some S-75 (???) servos that would not center properly at all which caused you to have to "chase" center... in other words it would not stay in trim, so it really makes you work to fly it... but it would fly.....just not to well...
I just read someplace that the new version is using a digital servo and the helps to cure most of the original problem... if yours has the digital servos, wait for the tx to come back and have fun..... if you have the above servos, you may want to invest in 3 new Hitech (or something better!!) for the head and replace the originals... still less then buying a totally new heli....
As for the 450 EXI heli... they work just fine for learning to fly... and as you break something, you can purchase upgrades if you like... but for learning, as long as you use descent electronics, I think most of the "clones" will serve you well... even the HK base unit if you change the slider on the head from the plastic one to a metal one, but this is already done on the base EXI....
The trick here is to fly something..... and have fun.....

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12-27-2010 09:27 PM  7 years agoPost 7
grim.the.grim

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+1 for Stan's comments. You have the 400 already...fly it! Its cheap to repair and you will learn the ins and outs of your heli as you break and replace parts. I cannot stress enough the comment on changing out the stock analog servos. I had a 400 and noticed a major improvement with the heli once I replaced them with some Hitechs. With the upgraded servos, you are not having to learn AND chase the heli due to bad servos at the same time. I REALLY miss my 400...it was a great learning heli!!!

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12-27-2010 09:46 PM  7 years agoPost 8
Steff Giguere

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If I was to start all over again, knowing that I know now I would go with a 500 or 550 size.

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12-27-2010 09:47 PM  7 years agoPost 9
rexxigpilot

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Take it from one who went down this road, ditch the 400-450 class machine and get a 500E/550E/30N or 600E/50N size heli. The smaller helis are harder to fly, not a good thing to learn on. The larger heli will likely force you to go to a real RC field instead of the back yard. You can/will get the help of other experienced pilots at the RC field.

Some will argue that the crash cost is lower on the smaller helis. Don't buy that argument! You will crash much more with the smaller, less stable heli which could end up costing more in the long run. If you want to learn how to rebuild, learn on a 400-450 size heli.

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12-27-2010 09:57 PM  7 years agoPost 10
jrb600n

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Learn to hover with a fixed pitch micro. Preferably one you can get away with crashing without having to order and replace parts. Co-axials are a bit too easy. A blade MSR or SR120 would be perfect. I wish these were around when I was learning. I was "learning" to fly helis by crashing and fixing an align 450 for years before I was comfortable with a nose in hover(never mind inverted) and forward flight. When you can hover tail in, side in and nose in comfortably and can fly circles/figure eights in both directions, then you are ready for a collective pitch bird. Then get very comfortable using the throttle hold switch

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12-27-2010 11:22 PM  7 years agoPost 11
Individual1

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450/500
Problem with getting into Heli's is MONEY! If you're on a tight budget.. I think 450 is the way to go. They're stable enough.. Lipos and parts are REALLY reasonable. Once you get above 450.. You're in a whole other world. Larger servos, Lipos, main blades, and ESC. I seen a guy annihilate his 550 in Ft Lauderdale a few weeks ago. Everything was toast! Frame broke, flybarless unit broke, obviously the main blades/lipo/esc and even the motor got trashed. I live in Key West and the wind is normally 10 knots every day. The 450 handles pretty well. If you choose wisely when to fly.. Early in the mornings down here are great. The wind doesn't pick up until about 11 and the wife is usually asleep until 10! If money is no object.. Then 500 and up all the way. As far as your blade.. Better gyro and a t/r servo and she'll fly WAY better.

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12-28-2010 01:49 PM  7 years agoPost 12
koppter

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my two cents...i volunteer time in the LHS and see lots of guys starting off. the B 400 has its issues, but it flies fine when it is properly set up and is a decent entry level machine. eflite has replacement gear sets for the servos, but upgrading to a better servos is a good idea. going to a 450 will help a little, but not enough for me to say that's a good move. the larger helis certainly fly better, but the cost of batteries alone for a 500/600 and the need for specialized charging equipment is a serious financial commitment. learn to hover and simple circuits with the 400, and then if you get hooked, consider making the jump. good luck...

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12-28-2010 03:07 PM  7 years agoPost 13
doorman

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Some Info??????
From the OP, it seems that he is just learning to fly and also has nobody to help with set up.... I may be wrong.... but that is how I am reading it... so we have him and his buddy.....
He says that he has learned to hover so far.... OK good start.... he is flying a sim... even better..... keep that up as much as possible... and no reason for a fixed pitch at this point....He already owns the B-400.... so with just a minor up grade of less then $75.00(????) it will be a descent flying heli.... so do the upgrade and fly what you have for now.... nothing wrong with that.....
Going to a 450 is not as bad as everyone seems to be making them out to be.... easy set up and inexpensive repairs and can be set up for a hands off hover if done properly..... and I for one would really not want to reccomend a 500 or 600 sized heli here only because of the new, and along with the expense, as others have noted...PLUS think of the intimidation of a 600 sized spooling up with nothing other then experience from the 400....
Hopefully they will get good with the 400 and by then possibly find a mentor/local club that can help with the next steps in this hobby...
I have suggested different sized helis to learn on to new people based on the info that you have on them and what they have to work with... I have had a LOT learn on 450's and also some start off with a 600 when they had help readily available......
Good Luck and most of all, HAVE FUN...... Stan

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12-28-2010 04:06 PM  7 years agoPost 14
grim.the.grim

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Amen Amen Amen..Listen to Stan...His years are long and his wisdom is great ( hehehehe )

You have the blade...stick with it...once you are comfortable with all orientations of flight, forward flight, and being able to make the helicopter do what you want...not what the heli wants...then move up to a larger heli when you are ready.

I started the same way you are...yes the larger helis are more stable...but why make the expense when you already have a great starter heli...move up to a larger one once you mastered the blade.

Also...if you can fly that squirrelly little heli...anything else will be a piece of cake

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12-28-2010 04:40 PM  7 years agoPost 15
fung_jeff

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Vancouver, BC, Canada

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What do you practice on the sim? Don't just practice the Blade 400, practice like 50 sized... Then sooner on buy a 50 sized. You don't have to buy it now, like Stan said, keep the blade 400 for now and upgrade the the electronics... I suggest you go to a local field though, it really helps.(Even though my dad won't go...) ALL THE GUYS tell me to go a local field It helps.

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12-28-2010 07:03 PM  7 years agoPost 16
843carolinaboy

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Thanks guys for your inputs! I fly on the SIM a lot more than I do with Blade. I do have a Blade SR 120 and I like flying that but my tx has to be sent off because Eflite had a recall on them. My friend flies also. His name Individual1 and he has helped me out a lot!! I am not ready for something that big (.30- 90) size heli’s. Yea I am really just getting the hang of the hobby but I am learning. I am stationed in Key West so there isn’t really a big r/c place.

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12-28-2010 07:21 PM  7 years agoPost 17
jrb600n

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Good call on that SR120. Get your basics down. Lots of piros and circles in both directions. Lots of nose in hovering as well as side in and try to keep it in one spot! You can do this in your house or backyard and will give you a solid foundation for forward flight. Then worry about spooling up, setting up and rebuilding CP helis. Be it a week or a year it will let you fly bigger birds without crashing (which is no fun). Had I taken this seriously I would have shaved YEARS off my progression time not to mention $$$.

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12-28-2010 07:28 PM  7 years agoPost 18
Individual1

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Blade
I snagged an Align 750 gyro off of Ebay for 35 bux new for Carolinaboy. We're either re-cycling the Blade via Ebay and getting a Trex 450 while waiting on his TX or we're going to do a few minor upgrades to the Blade. We hovered his Blade and got the tracking spot on. The t/r belt out of the box was insanely tight.

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12-28-2010 07:43 PM  7 years agoPost 19
843carolinaboy

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Thanks D!! This is the guy who has been helping me get off the ground.

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12-28-2010 08:00 PM  7 years agoPost 20
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