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12-27-2010 06:58 AM  7 years agoPost 21
lowflyer101

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Nothing perfect, Vbar-MB-3G... all depend how it set up. Set 3G right it just as good as Vbar. I got both MB and 3G, if set up and fine tunes right on both unit it's hard to tell a different.
I don't have Vbar, but all local pro pilots use it and love it. Mikado is proven.

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12-27-2010 01:56 PM  7 years agoPost 22
Zaaaguy72

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I am sorry, but the 3g is not in the same league as the MB, VBAR, or Total G. The tail is very weak on the 3g. I have not tried a MB, but hear the tail is very good. I have personal experience with the TG, Vbar, and 3g and the 3g definitely is the weakest flybarless unit out of the ones I have tried.

I agree with AL Austria, everyone has a preference towards the type of feel they like.

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12-27-2010 05:27 PM  7 years agoPost 23
lowflyer101

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The tail on MB hold very good , align not bad either. about piro rate just ok, but easy increase speed via tx.

The real different on MB is doing piro flip or ciao, just like the flybar heli, very stable in air. Not like all over place feeling like other brand FBL .

But for the price of MB, easy set up, design and features easy make MB stand out.
I like the metal case and size of MB, work everywhere from 250 shaver to power vibrator 90 size nitro dildo.

But truth me, if you really think the MB is bester than VBar 5.0 then I will trade my brand new MB for your Vbar )

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12-27-2010 10:50 PM  7 years agoPost 24
helinewby

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beastx
I have been flying the beastx since ircha 2010. Got a really good deal on the unit so decided to try it. Very easy to set up in compairison to the v-bar. i believe the v-bar has more options. But for the average pilot the beast is the way to go IMO..

C.B.

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12-28-2010 12:04 AM  7 years agoPost 25
helicraze

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Time for my 2 cents!

3G is nowhere near as good as vbar if you cannot tell that then you are not either a) not a good pilot b) so good that it does not matter you correct everything on the fly

All of these brands serve a purpose and everyone has their favorite.

I like the vbar and i know it works well. I am tempted to try others but the skookum is very exspensive and has nothing to offer that attracts me, its also got lots of menues.

The Total G was a flop in my opinion still waiting on a lot of issues to be resolved, not that there is anything wrong with that, but it was delayed as it was meant to be right from the get go.

I still laugh at the price some people ask 2nd hand for the 3G, it does the job and thats fine!

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12-28-2010 12:05 AM  7 years agoPost 26
JayL

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Bruce I totally agree im not selling my vbar anytime soon and dang I hope the mb holds up.

Al ur correct each fbl unit is different its like finding the right set of pabbles for your fb head and I have also found that each heli will fly differently with the same set of paddles. 4 me the i like the vbar,mb and then the 720 would i buy another 720 probably not after flying the mb but I would buy another vbar but this is just my opinion they due differ.

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12-28-2010 12:59 AM  7 years agoPost 27
lowflyer101

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when something new come out, people sworn this killer that killer blad blad. the first day 3G come out, judge from Alan S. flight lot people sworn its a Vbar killer. now MB is a VVVVBAAR killer, what next . Walkera make a 4 axis gyro that will kill everything else, can't wait

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12-28-2010 01:40 AM  7 years agoPost 28
Steff Giguere

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I agree that not one FBL system can please everyone therefore try them out and find out for yourselves which one you like best. I've tried V-Bar, 3G, Total-G and going to try out BeastX soon. But for the time being it's V-Bar for me.

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12-28-2010 01:54 AM  7 years agoPost 29
PC12DRVR

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The tail is very weak on the 3g.
Flew the 3G, completely agree, not a great overall feel either. Microbeast on the way we'll see.

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12-29-2010 04:49 PM  7 years agoPost 30
Mojave

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Saitoflyer: If in your opinion, Beast X is the new king of the FBL hill and you sold off all of your vbars at a profit, why did you just buy another VBAR in the classifieds... Not bagging on you, just a little confused here.

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12-29-2010 04:59 PM  7 years agoPost 31
Eco8gator

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Helicommand is listening. Hc3 basic edition for 250 with usb cable and is upgradable to all versions. Its 120 ccpm only but seem to have all other features.

Carlo

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12-29-2010 06:32 PM  7 years agoPost 32
Mojave

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Eco: that is one nice flying system! I watched Danny from Esprit fly the HC3-Xtreme when I was down at the Cape. Sure looked "locked in" and rock solid and the unit was very small. It also gets the vote for bling factor. That billet case is very cool!

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12-29-2010 07:46 PM  7 years agoPost 33
Eco8gator

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The system is great...the marketing isnt as agressive as it should be. The flight quality is very good especially for 250 with the basic version.

C

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12-29-2010 07:50 PM  7 years agoPost 34
Mojave

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Yeah, you hardly see any ads for it. How easy is the programming?

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12-30-2010 12:06 AM  7 years agoPost 35
Eco8gator

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Programming isn't bad at all on the HC3 systems.

I got a chance to fly just about all the new systems out this afternoon.

The BeastX impressed me a lot. Setup is very easy, and the flight quality is better than I expected. Piro comp is definitely working. One thing I noticed is that take offs are very easy with this system...flybar like. Align might as well stop making FBL systems IMHO

The HC3SX was impressive as well. I felt it had a slightly more symmetric tail authority than the beast and the self leveling worked as advertised...lots of witnesses too. Apparently the HC3 basic will have exactly the same flight characteristics which is awesome and at 250 it will be just affordable as the Beast but will use a computer interface vs the physical interface.

I even flew one of my first gen ProBar(no longer available) prototypes on a 450 and it flew awesome too...the only real difference is the obvious lack of true piro comp but I had something in there to help reduce the funk during piro maneuvers.

It was a great day at the field.

Carlo

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12-30-2010 12:31 AM  7 years agoPost 36
Mojave

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Sounds like a winner I'm still hooked on my vbar. I almost bought a HC3 system from Danny, but after the learning curve of vbar 4.0 and the new "no brainer 5.0 pro", I just didn't feel like switching. With my job and work travel I have very little spare time to work the bugs out of new technology.

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12-30-2010 03:34 PM  7 years agoPost 37
billybob

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The Total G was a flop in my opinion still waiting on a lot of issues to be resolved, not that there is anything wrong with that, but it was delayed as it was meant to be right from the get go.
umm, hold up there bud. i had the vbar from the begining and it had PLENTY of updates and "fixes". through lots of time, trial and error and experiance mikado has a great product now. The Total g may not have been 100% perfect when it came out, but what is, it's to subjective, there is no one single unit that is going to please everybody 100%, and it's not the total g's fault that idiots can't set it up. this is a very easy, basic product to use, mine flys fine along with many others around here. some have complained about some attributes of the TG and curtis has addressed those things as quickly as he can. one thing to note is the vbar has a very characteristic way that it flys and people who use it, get used to it and end up liking it...then they try a different unit , it feels different and all of the sudden, it's a "flop"? the tg has a more flybarred feel...is'nt this what people wanted?????. the Total g is hardly a flop... you may want to retract you statement.

and yes, i'm a rep so you can think i'm biased...but sometimes you just gotta call it for what it is

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12-30-2010 04:11 PM  7 years agoPost 38
Agilefalcon

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Hi Billybob,
I agree with what you have said. Total G is brand new and had it's still a work in progress. All other brands have done the same thing, more or less, depending on how long they have been on the market.

Each system, has it's own "feel." One person may like it, and another not - why limit yourself to one brand? Try them just like you would try flying another type or brand of helicopter. Your feelings and abilities change, so too would your choice of flybarless system.

I think we are still at the beginning of the flybarless age - there is no doubt that each new system, each software/firmware release brings new options and capabilities.

We are extremely fortunate to have individuals and companies around in this economy to provide us with cutting edge equipment. Thanks to all of you, my hobby is keeping me interested and away from crap like "Access Hollywood." Who watches that stuff???

Anyway, each system has it's pluses and minuses - try to balance that with what you need at this point in time. Personally, I'd like one of each.

Chris Berardi
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12-30-2010 04:24 PM  7 years agoPost 39
MarshallB

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Billybob that pretty much sums it up! I really don't comment on stuff I haven't at least flown or used for awhile. To quote a famous Rabbit in the movie Bambi, "If you can't say something nice, don't say nothing at all"..


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12-30-2010 06:51 PM  7 years agoPost 40
RACER7696

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I cant stand posts like this. All of the fbl units that are coming out all have something to offer.If you are into scale and have a multi bladed head maybe the vbar is for you. If you are flying a 250 and price is a problem than maybe you buy the 3g. I personaly have the mb and 3g,I love the mb but I cant sit here and say that the vbar or totalg is junk. As stated above they all have something to offer and all give you a different feel. I dont see how someone can say one is better than the other if that person hasn't flown them all.This tecnology is also fairly new and all the fbl mfg need to do some tweaking through there firmware releases.One main thing that seems to be overlooked is the fact that the heli you are installing the fbl on has to running perfect,That means no vibes what so ever you also need to be runing a fbl blade and most importantly follow the manual.After a firmware update redo the set up if things have changed and always do a flight check when the unit is intialized on the bench move the heli from side to side and make shure everything is reacting the way it should.Personally I think if you are building a brand new heli and have brand new engine you really have to break that thing in before you start tweaking the fbl unit this is only my opinion and it works for me. You do have to realize that none of the fbl like vibes at all most of these vibes maybe wont even show up on a flybared heli but they will when you put a fbl unit on. I have also found that the better you balance the main and tail blades the better it will fly. I have the koll rotor pro and it will balance the blades spanwise,cordwise and to each other. When you decide to go fbl you definetly need to get more tecnical with all phases of bench set up and balanceing. These are just a few things that I have found in my venture into the fbl world.Main thing is follow the manual to a t and if you cant figure something out ask someone.

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