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12-29-2010 03:11 PM  7 years agoPost 1741
Rogman88

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....that is because people are having success with them. If everyone only got 50-60 cycles out of a pack, even at a low cost, they would not tolerate that very long.
True. The guys at our field have different flight ranges. One guy pops up and does tic tocs a bunch at the beginning of his flight because his 6S Trex 600 quickly loses punch after the first minute. He's had many cycles on his packs. Like Lon, if he can't do tic tocs, he's not happy and lands while swearing at his packs. As my packs are getting more cycles, I'm noticing the same thing, but rather than land, I'm trying to learn to do other stuff that doesn't require a bunch of amps like practicing flying nose in, doing hurricanes, piro funnels and piroflips on the packs that are "more mature". There really are more advanced moves that can be practiced and fun to be had without having extreme amp spikes. So I really don't buy the pack is of no use after 60 cycles excuse.

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12-29-2010 03:23 PM  7 years agoPost 1742
Eco8gator

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6s TREX....doesn't seem to loose punch till the end of the flight using cheap batteries. Its all about the setup...BTW, use 550 blades instead of 600.

Watch at YouTube

Carlo

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12-29-2010 03:25 PM  7 years agoPost 1743
Rogman88

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Those batteries on that 6S Trex aren't worn out like my buddies. When batteries are new, he has a great time, then they are old and have many cycles is when the problem arises.

However there are plenty of moves that don't require a lot of power...just ask the nitro guys

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12-29-2010 05:32 PM  7 years agoPost 1744
helismash

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I am looking forward to trying my first big electric heli. I have a small 450 size now but I am going to be in the market for something bigger (600 - 700) very soon.

Hey, Who put the ground there!
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12-29-2010 05:38 PM  7 years agoPost 1745
Eco8gator

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They are 25C Hobby City packs.... They have about 40 flight on them each. All flight are like what you see...infact the packs got stronger as I flew them. They arnt the most powerful packs you can get but you can clearly see what you can get out of packs with the right setup.

Like I said try 550 blades on that T600

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12-29-2010 05:51 PM  7 years agoPost 1746
LonR

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Blades345,
Do you understand your doing nothing but crying and whining over nothing?I said after 45-50 cycles me packs aren't fun to fly anymore,never said their dead but you make a big pouting post about it attacking not only me but other members too.Then you start playing the tuff guy roll over the internet when your states away .I change my screen name to my real name and your whining about that too.Keep your personal issues to yourself and off the site,noone wants to read a bunch of trash talking because you have issues.Get over it and move on..

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12-29-2010 06:09 PM  7 years agoPost 1747
LonR

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Eco8gator 6s TREX....doesn't seem to loose punch till the end of the flight using cheap batteries. Its all about the setup...BTW, use 550 blades instead of 600.

Watch at YouTube

Carlo
What motor/ESC do you have in it?I ran my 600E on 6 cells (30C 5000mAh Flightmax) with a Castle ICE 100 esc,not cycle wise but flight time.Once I started doing things that kept the head loaded,the packs started dying fast.That was some really nice flying but do things like 4pt tictocs,hurricanes and big loops,that stuff seemed to drain my packs fast.Right at 1min is when I started drining the pack pretty quick.At 2:50 I had to bail out of tictocs because of power loss.REALLY wish I tried some 550mm mains like you did but never thought about it,im sure that could of helped.

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12-29-2010 06:38 PM  7 years agoPost 1748
Ronald Thomas

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I know you will be offended but.....
The way you do tic tocs sounds like the way I do them....poor collective management. In that case you will definitely kills the packs faster as the head is always loaded during the move and harder for the motor to keep up.
Maybe a better ESC or refining the moves will help some in pack management. Just look at the difference in the two vids with Carlo doing the same moves and when you do them. Listen to the headspeed and the blades........Ron

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12-29-2010 06:46 PM  7 years agoPost 1749
LonR

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Not offended at all,it was the underpower electric,my nitros never had power problems.Not bashing electrics,just saying.

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12-29-2010 06:48 PM  7 years agoPost 1750
LonR

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BTW Ron,
I never set the ICE 100 up in Gov mode/fixed end points so that could of been a issue too.

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12-29-2010 07:18 PM  7 years agoPost 1751
Eco8gator

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Man I only run the good stuff in my toys

Kontronik Jive 80 with active cooler heat sink.
Xera 4020-2Y(1100Kv)
Futaba BLS servos
Futaba BLS251 Tail
Spartan Tail Gyro
Custom Flybarless System
25C Hobby City Packs(under 50 bucks per pack at time of purchase)
Edge FLB Blades

I tried the Ice and my heli preformance was not nearly as good. The Jive just holds RPM better but it should be the extra money you pay. 550 blades was the ticket though...made a huge difference in battery consumption.

I did a few 4 points in the video.
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12-29-2010 07:57 PM  7 years agoPost 1752
LonR

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Eco8gator
Man I only run the good stuff in my toys
See,I don't have the $$ to blow on a $350.00 dollar esc and that would never happen,Castle is max in $$ ..For a 50 size and up heli,electric just cost way too much money (for me).Seems the only way to fly a 50 size electric the way im flying is to buy all high end electronics and that flat out blows.When I had the 600E I even looked for a used Kontronik esc but people want around $350.00 .You guys need to stop buying this stuff so the prices drop around $175 bucks on the esc's and about $140.00 on the motors .I'll stick to the 500 and under size electrics until I save about $600.00 for a esc and motor.Im still liking the way the stock Trex 550 flys so maybe i'll get one by mid summer.

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12-29-2010 10:07 PM  7 years agoPost 1753
philip 01

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i've flown all sizes and types over the last 13 years. both nitro and electric.

this 550e has been the most fun overall relative to cost of ownership and parts availability combined with performance and power.

https://rc.runryder.com/t590985p1/?highlight=5000

i liken it to a combination of my futura se and fury extreme .90 in a smaller size. it is a friggin monster and has big power for a .30 sized machine. no .30 sized nitro could keep up. you'd have to put at least a .50 motor to get close.

got about 50 cycles on some 6 month old turnigy 6s 5000's and they get abused. big time. a few on here can attest to that. the packs are still going strong.

just pick your poison and get on with it.

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12-29-2010 10:20 PM  7 years agoPost 1754
BobOD

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you'd have to put at least a .50 motor to get close.
Funny you should say that. I happen to have the 50 I just pulled from my 600. :P

MAN!...I'm getting a little tired.

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12-29-2010 10:22 PM  7 years agoPost 1755
philip 01

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that might do it or a .60.

i've found plug and play tough to beat at the moment.

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12-29-2010 10:25 PM  7 years agoPost 1756
LonR

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Yeah when I get some $$ saved up im going with a Trex 550 and close to the same setup.Everyone seems more than happy with them on 6 cells and people seem to be dumping Logos once they fly one.I would love to see you fly it,I bet that baby rips .

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12-29-2010 10:28 PM  7 years agoPost 1757
Wave

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High voltage is the only way to go boys ( the ESC matters little ).

More power, longer flights, less lipo stress.

Go 12S or go HOME.

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12-29-2010 10:29 PM  7 years agoPost 1758
philip 01

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6s gets it done on a 550.

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12-29-2010 10:30 PM  7 years agoPost 1759
Wave

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HV would get it done better.

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12-29-2010 10:32 PM  7 years agoPost 1760
philip 01

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the beauty is that it will out climb a 700 on 12s.

cost of ownership is much less as well.

unless it is the tim jones machine. that would be the only way to go on 12s for me.

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