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12-24-2010 04:34 AM  9 years ago
Band1086

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What's wrong on your HV160?
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12-24-2010 04:35 AM  9 years ago
Supercoolheli

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oh nutin, i was just stupid and messed up the gov. setup lol. I forgot to re-program the throttle after programming the auto-bailout, and also i accidentally entered in 8 poles when my motor is really a 10 . Got some pretty funky results, but i should be able to sort it all out tomorrow for next week's flying
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12-24-2010 04:56 AM  9 years ago
FlyBarz

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That 10 minute netro Lon videoo was noob 3D like me and half in control like me nut to sure Id be talkin bout it like der was power!!!!! Luv
My new x50 but my pals compasss flys goodd. I cam do 7 minutes he can drain my tankk in 5 tho!!!!

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12-24-2010 05:51 AM  9 years ago
Blades345

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when TAREQ flys, he is not flying for points in a competition,he is flying to demo products and WOW the crowd,and the announcers and crowd always want the same thing, lower and faster.

I have been to a bunch of funflys and i have never heard an announcer yelling "slower higher" during any flights
The problem is he is the same thing over and over. Its gets boring very quickly. I can only watch a little of his flying before I turn it off. Kyle Dahl, Jaime Robertson, and Nick Maxwell are interesting to watch, but Tareq XXXXX X XXX XXX. I'm not saying he doesn't have skill, he is just boring. Its kinda like a record skipping over and over and over again.
When u don't feel like soaring through the air with a plane, beat it into submission w/ a heli!
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12-24-2010 08:10 AM  9 years ago
LonR

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600LE,OS55,OS PowerBoost pipe,Align 610's,Spartan
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12-24-2010 08:29 AM  9 years ago
Band1086

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The problem is he is the same thing over and over. Its gets boring very quickly. I can only watch a little of his flying before I turn it off. Kyle Dahl, Jaime Robertson, and Nick Maxwell are interesting to watch, but Tareq sucks a big one. I'm not saying he doesn't have skill, he is just boring. Its kinda like a record skipping over and over and over again.
Blades, why don't you tell us what you really think.
And please be more specific.
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12-24-2010 09:38 AM  9 years ago
siang

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Tareq always amazed me with his skill, if you're not into that then maybe you'd like more of F3C, precision flying. I'd 101% support electric on F3C or even sports flying due to their vib free nature. Most of the electric video that was posted are sports and not 3D, mild 3D if that's what you want to call it but I see it as sports. 3D to me is 90% of the time, the heli is close by, stick banging, close to ground not flying around high in the sky, with a few moves here and there.
Merry Christmas to all
welcome to the dark side =)
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12-24-2010 01:36 PM  9 years ago
rexxigpilot

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Have to agree with Blades on Tareq. He has some skills, but very boring style IMO. Most noobs would be impressed with Tareq's flying. Most with a modicum of their own flying skills see it as just smack. I have seen Bert do the same low smack and it was much more impressive and technical.

Regarding LonR's comment about low head speed being needed to get good flight times. That's not entirely true. A model like the Logo 600 can in fact get over 7 minutes even with head speeds between 2100-2200. I can assure you this will not produce slooow 3D on the light weight Logo 600. You must keep in mind that performance is a matter of power to weight.

The 7+ minute flight time is based on my own experience and that of 2 other members of my RC club. If it was just me that got 7+ minute (I actually can get between 7:30 - 8:00 minutes depending on how I want to fly) I would accept that perhaps I just don't fly hard enough to drain the packs quickly. However, one of the other pilots is Blades who flies at LonR's level and the other flies beyond that level.

It really ticks me off when I make a post based on my own experience and some keyboard jockey says it isn't possible...as if I am lying!. Unless you fly with the same or similar equipment, you won't have the same data points. Until you do, please be more courteous in replying to posts of others.

My last thoughts on nitro versus electric flight times...I fly both. I have some nitro models, like my SDX with a NR Rex 57 (needed to get the performance I like), that get less flight time than my Logo 600. In general my nitro models can fly a bit longer, but after about 5 minutes, I feel like I'm just burning fuel. The flights don't have the power and performance of my electric models. In general I find a 50 nitro somewhat boring and I am ready to land after a couple of minutes anyway. 90/700 nitros are still fun, but the fuel cost is a bit prohibitive unless your wallet is thick.

Anyway, fly what you like. I'm sure this thread will die shortly, yet come back a few days, months or years from now. By then maybe the energy density of a LiPo or other battery technology will be enough to satisfy everyone - both the power flyer and those who are after long flight duration.
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12-24-2010 05:54 PM  9 years ago
BobOD

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A model like the Logo 600 can in fact get over 7 minutes even with head speeds between 2100-2200.
I would love to see some information on that setup...and datalog info if you have it. And please, don't think I am questioning you. I have a Logo and it can fly pretty long...but I don't think as good as you're describing....so just genuinely looking for info.

Merry Christmas everyone.
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12-24-2010 05:56 PM  9 years ago
Ronald Thomas

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You have a Logo 600.....dial down the HS and go fly. No need for proof on that one especially when you have the goods. You have the heavier Kaos frames so you may see a 30 second differential...........RonTeam MikadoUSA 480XXTreme, 550SX, 600SX, 700XXTreme, 800XXTreme!!
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12-24-2010 06:13 PM  9 years ago
BobOD

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I have lightened those frames. No heavier than plastic frame'd heli now. There was a lot on unneeded weight in some of those parts. I can get 7 minutes easy but not sure I can at the RPM mentioned. Not sure I can't either...only interested if some information is easily available. And not looking for argument at all...just curious.Team POP Secret
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12-24-2010 09:12 PM  9 years ago
Ronald Thomas

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Not trying to argue at all, I am just saying why ask for someone else's proof when you have the means to prove or disprove it yourself and all it takes is a small tx adjustment. Roll with it brother!!!Team MikadoUSA 480XXTreme, 550SX, 600SX, 700XXTreme, 800XXTreme!!
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12-24-2010 10:08 PM  9 years ago
BobOD

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I know. I adjusted for 2200 RPM and I'm not getting even close to 7 minutes. What should I try next?Team POP Secret
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12-24-2010 10:18 PM  9 years ago
LonR

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I hope your electronics don't burn up just turning the HS down..600LE,OS55,OS PowerBoost pipe,Align 610's,Spartan
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12-24-2010 10:24 PM  9 years ago
BobOD

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Nah...no issue there. I run it all the way down to 1850 or so.Team POP Secret
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12-24-2010 10:30 PM  9 years ago
OICU812

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For anyone that may not know in regards to thoughts of anything burning up, FYI Kontroniks for example can say run 2200 at 85percent and you can back to 1400 rpm at say 20-30 percent. Zero issue in doing so big plus on electrics, 101 kontronik esc nothing to burn up in doing so. Castle however has limitations in the spread, as they're designed different in regards to how they allow power through.

In my setups I can run from 1600-2200 all on same pinion and setup, so simple to select based on what want to practice or achieve and how long of flight you wish to have.

Anyhow just returned to clarify that so no one feels they will burn anything up in such trials.
If running a castle however, research your safe known range.
...Once upon a time there were Nitros, flybars and frequency pins...
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12-24-2010 10:32 PM  9 years ago
Supercoolheli

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Castle is still very good though. On my Rave ENV (an electric 700 sized), the HV160 govorner will run 85% at2100RPM which is sure good enough for me
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12-25-2010 04:21 AM  9 years ago
Rogman88

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Gonna be Christmas in 1 and 1/2 hours. It sure would be nice to all agree to disagree for one 24hour period. No personal attacks everyone agree that their particular flight system is better for whatever reason and be happy fellow helipilots for just one day. Now the 26th comes and we can all agree once again that electric has more power and nitro flies longer!

Merry Christmas guys I hope y'all have a great day!

Roger
High Voltage just works better
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12-25-2010 04:47 AM  9 years ago
BobOD

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Cool, does that mean I have 15 minutes to be obnoxious?
Just kidding.

Have a Merry Christmas everyone.
Team POP Secret
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12-25-2010 05:54 AM  9 years ago
Blades345

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BoboD, I think you are already a pain in the ass to everyone since the aliens have gotten to you. lol J/K. By the way, did your engine make it to you? Muah ha ha ha ha ha ha!When u don't feel like soaring through the air with a plane, beat it into submission w/ a heli!
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